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Old 02-21-2018, 8:55 PM
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Was wondering if you all could chime in on the legality of building one of those new SS80 frames into a g43 clone in CA.
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Hey everyone,

Was wondering if you all could chime in on the legality of building one of those new SS80 frames into a g43 clone in CA.
There is something about how 3 oz. of stainless steel has to be embedded in a composite frame.

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These already come with a plate embedded. That's not an issue. It will need to be a single shot break open or bolt action to comply.
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Old 02-21-2018, 11:03 PM
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These already come with a plate embedded. That's not an issue. It will need to be a single shot break open or bolt action to comply.
I guess I better re-read and get some clarification on AB 857. I thought there has to be somewhere around 3 oz of stainless steel embedded into the frame where the serial number goes. But I could be wrong because that small plate which is nowhere near three 3oz could possibly supersede what needs to be embedded according to that bill

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Old 02-23-2018, 5:15 AM
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California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 41 Article 6 Section 5519
Special Requirements for Engraving, Casting, Stamping (Impressing), or Placing the Unique Serial Number on a Self-Manufactured or Self-Assembled Firearm Made from Polymer Plastic.

A firearm manufactured or assembled from polymer plastic shall contain its unique serial number on 3.7 ounces of material type 17-4 PH stainless steel. This stainless steel piece shall be embedded within the plastic reciever or frame upon the firearm's manufacture or assembly.
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Old 02-23-2018, 5:55 AM
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Let’s put this issue to bed once and for all...

These new polymer 80% frames are for other States (where allowed by their own applicable regulations), and not for us Californians.

Single-shot, bolt action with compliant dimensions won’t get you pass that embedded SS requirement. Consequently, no more polymer AR lowers either under this same requirement. It has been mentioned many, many times before in previous threads how big a chunk of SS needs to be 3.0 ounces, and it is simply not feasible to do.
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wow. that's a doozie.

What if the design was such that the barrel was fixed, and the underside of how its mounted to the frame is embedded into the polymer... that could potentially account for 3.7 oz. I suspect at that point we'd be talking about a completely different type of gun/build though... no longer a G43 clone. More of a Sig P230 type pistol.

But that's certainly a show stopper.
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Does it have 3.7 ounces of stainless embedded. No where on it can a plate of that weight go. Must be integrated into frame.
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Blazito fud. Not in ca.
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Does it have 3.7 ounces of stainless embedded. No where on it can a plate of that weight go. Must be integrated into frame.
Yeah that sucks. i mean even if you had the entire barrel shroud, trigger guard, and perhaps the area where the locking block seats (17-4 ph SS), you would still have to have it embedded in polymer, and then meet the weight requirement.

... and then move on to the bolt action requirement.

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The 3.7 ounces of metal in the frame only applies after July 1, 2018.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...201520160AB857
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The 3.7 ounces of metal in the frame only applies after July 1, 2018.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...201520160AB857
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The 3.7 ounces of metal in the frame only applies after July 1, 2018.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...201520160AB857


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3.7 ounces is a pretty darn large block of metal. From my calculations, that plate would have to be 1 inch x 1/4 inch x 3 1/3 inches.

The only place that my imagination could make out where this would be even remotely reasonable would be a metal magazine well, with the empty space that's in the handgrip of the "glock grip" actually filled with metal. But again ... it wouldn't be a plate.

Maybe if you could make the entire grip out of metal.

Or just forget it. We can't have it.
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3.7 ounces is a pretty darn large block of metal. From my calculations, that plate would have to be 1 inch x 1/4 inch x 3 1/3 inches.

The only place that my imagination could make out where this would be even remotely reasonable would be a metal magazine well, with the empty space that's in the handgrip of the "glock grip" actually filled with metal. But again ... it wouldn't be a plate.

Maybe if you could make the entire grip out of metal.

Or just forget it. We can't have it.
I don't know if there's anything stipulating the thickness of the plate or whether or not it can be bent

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I think if you did some type of fixed barrel design where it was somehow embedded in the polymer you could easily get to 3.7oz. At that point however you’re looking at a completely different gun/kit




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Maybe a metAl 80% Glock frame ...
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I don't know if there's anything stipulating the thickness of the plate or whether or not it can be bent
Under Federal and CA laws...
The metal plate needs to be embedded in the receiver in such a manner that removal will destroy or significantly damage the receiver.
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