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Old 04-14-2017, 1:42 PM
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Default Please help with rifle ID

A friend has this old rifle and I was asked to ID it and see if there is any value beyond a police buyback gift card or as a fireplace mantle decoration.

It is rusty as heck.

Side plate says something like A. Fordyce.

Top of barrel says LASGON or something like that.

Cracked stock has been repaired.
Ramrod broken at the end.
Bracket missing(?) at end of stock possibly.
No other markings I could see.

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Crack in stock repaired
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Missing bracket?
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Take some clear pic's of the markings...
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Old 04-14-2017, 2:04 PM
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I will try next time I visit, but they were darn rusty.

I could see if they would clean up a bit, but was hesitant to mess with them until I asked here first.

I should have measured the barrel diameter also.

There was light engraving/scrollwork on it, but very hard to see.
(My wife has a much better camera than my phone.)
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Whatever it is, I don't think that should be buy-back fodder. It's artsy enough it would make a nice decoration if it's too far gone to shoot
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Somebody's wall is missing its hanger.
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Somebody's wall is missing its hanger.
I would not want to be the first to test fire it.

There is a little bit of sentimental value to it so that is probably what will happen.
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Lot of views, but no potential ID?

Is there a C&R website elsewhere that I should check?

Thanks.

(Just trying to get my "homework" assignment done.)
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Judging by the frugal design of the sheet-metal trigger guard, side-plate, and simple looking hammer, it looks like an inexpensive muzzle-loader "kit" gun, and maybe any time from the 1950s to 1970s or so judging by the aging of the stock and likely storage decay.

If it is 'period' it may have simply been a cheaply made one. Doubt there is any real value either way.
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Garv, oil on a coarse piece of cloth, like burlap, and scrub where there is lettering. Fordyce Beals was a gun designer that went to work for Remington in the 1800's. If it's a Beals rifle, it's not a cheap wall hanger.
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Need more pictures. Take one of the muzzle and any marking however faint.
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Thank you!

Owner is gone for a month but I will oil it up and get better pics. of the markings and scrollwork.

I have done some googling and found some of these IDs can be complicated.
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Looks like a Lancaster style flint lock.

After emailing a buddy he is leaning towards a Hawken Flintlock due to the scrolling trigger guard.

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Google "traditional muzzleloader" there should be two forums listed. Very knowledgeable members.
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Google "traditional muzzleloader" there should be two forums listed. Very knowledgeable members.
Cool.

I will wander around and look, will get better pictures before posting.
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Looks like a Lancaster style flint lock.

After emailing a buddy he is leaning towards a Hawken Flintlock due to the scrolling trigger guard.
Thanks, will check.
This kind of homework is fun (for a while).
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Lot of views, but no potential ID?

Is there a C&R website elsewhere that I should check?

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(Just trying to get my "homework" assignment done.)
No potential ID's because your photos are terrible. Give the board something to work with and someone will ID it for sure.
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No potential ID's because your photos are terrible. Give the board something to work with and someone will ID it for sure.



I thought I might have had enough to get close but after googling around it is not as easy as "geez, it is a Glock!"

I'll be back with round 2.

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It's not a flintlock, it's clearly a percussion, and not a conversion to one.
Eliphalet Remington got his his start making flintlocks, then percussion rifles. At that time Fordyce Beals came to work there and did improvements on the Remingtons, some designs of his own, and designed the 1858 Remington revolver.
Remington had his own locks and barrels, and Beals had his own locks before he worked for Remington. If it's not some Belgian knock off, and truly is a Beals, you have a nice piece of history.
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