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Old 04-17-2018, 8:44 PM
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How are you finding out when everything is sent/received? Are you only able to see this after receiving your registration paperwork?


Yes, just listing the dates from the e mails I received and printed dates on the letter and envelope.


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9 days total, that's the fastest one I've seen so far. I'm guessing they were all basic AR rifles?

Seems to also confirm what I suspected - that the individual "submission confirmation" emails saying they'll notify you of your results via US Mail are essentially approval emails.


One off the shelf Complete Rifle and the rest were stripped lowers I assembled. All AR style.


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Anyone have a quick link to Saiga 12 gauge options, please?

Hard to read through 10,000 posts to HOPEFULLY find what I am looking for.

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Weird. That's the only kickback I've heard of someone getting for that reason. I wonder if it was just a fluke? Surely he can't be the only person registering who bought their firearm PPT, but thus far nobody else has mentioned getting a kickback for that. Hopefully you're ok - if they do kick it back please let me know
One of mine was PPT and I followed the guide instructions of listing FFL info. My process is done, letter in hand, with no kickback for that particluar reason.
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One of mine was PPT and I followed the guide instructions of listing FFL info. My process is done, letter in hand, with no kickback for that particluar reason.
Was it pre 2014 or post 2014?
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Anyone have a quick link to Saiga 12 gauge options, please?

Hard to read through 10,000 posts to HOPEFULLY find what I am looking for.

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Are you looking to register it, or avoid registering it? Also, did you buy it after 2016?

If it was bought before 2017 and has a BB, registration is roughly the same as for a rifle, just follow the steps in the first post.

If you're looking to avoid registration, see this thread: Options to avoid registration with semi auto shotguns converted Saiga 12 & Vepr 12's?

IF you bought it between Jan 1, 2017 and late July 2017, it puts you in an awkward position... because it was legal to purchase with a BB in that configuration during that timeframe, but became an AW via new DOJ regulations in late July last year, months AFTER the cutoff for when you had to own it to be eligible for registration. Honestly, I have no clue what to do in that case, but the safest thing to do is make it featureless (if that's even possible, I'm not sure*) or make the magazine fixed (also not sure if that's possible, sorry I'm not that familiar with those shotguns*). I would NOT recommend attempting to register a legally-purchased BB-equipped shotgun that was purchased in 2017, since the regulations clearly say that nothing purchased after 2016 may be registered, and attempting to do so could very likely result in a knock on your door, and your weapon being taken into custody "while it gets sorted out" (ie, until you pony up more money than the gun is worth for a lawyer to get it back for you). That exact thing has already allegedly happened to someone trying to register a rifle they bought in 2017.

* ETA: See DiscoGodFather's post below, good information regarding compliance/non-registration options for these shotguns, I'm not very familiar with that shotgun platform myself
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Anyone have a quick link to Saiga 12 gauge options, please?

Hard to read through 10,000 posts to HOPEFULLY find what I am looking for.

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Semi shotguns need to be registered if they are fed by a magazine and have a pistol grip. No way to convert to featureless for these Saiga / Vepr 12's, it's one of the little slights they but into the regs and is one of the things Michel and Associates lawsuit focuses on.

There is a product available called the Maglatch 12 that basically converts the shotgun into a bolt action by plugging the gas port. That's the only way to make it CA Legal and NOT have to reg'd to remain legal. The product is legit and not a BB v2.0 like "grey area".

They literally made up law and made underground regulation at the same time, and the Michel letter has a page or two devoted to this silly extra-tyranny with regards to these types of semi shotguns.
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Was it pre 2014 or post 2014?
Post 2014
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Just got my confirmation email this week for an 80% pistol I built. Will let you know when I get the letter for time estimates. Got a correction email after about a month asking me to put my name in the comments for the build and to check the second grip box. Took about 7-10 days from that correction to get the email telling me to look in the mail. Hopefully those emails continue to mean an approval letter is in the works

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Just an FYI and a reminder - the current lead time for getting serials from DOJ is 4 weeks.

Expect that lead time to increase as deadline approaches. There's still time, if you request serials now and get them in 4 weeks, you'll have 6 weeks to engrave them and submit your registration. But in 2 weeks, if the lead time for obtaining serials stretches to 8 weeks (which is entirely possible) you might miss the deadline.
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Ok, sounds like that one reported instance of DOJ not accepting the FFL info for a PPT firearm was just an overzealous DOJ staffer, then.
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Just an FYI and a reminder - the current lead time for getting serials from DOJ is 4 weeks.

Expect that lead time to increase as deadline approaches. There's still time, if you request serials now and get them in 4 weeks, you'll have 6 weeks to engrave them and submit your registration. But in 2 weeks, if the lead time for obtaining serials stretches to 8 weeks (which is entirely possible) you might miss the deadline.
So, I can still get a serial for a home brewed AKM?
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Can someone verify if this information is correct:

1) AR pistol barrel minimum is 6.5
2) AR pistol OAL cannot exceed 26 inches

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Can someone verify if this information is correct:

1) AR pistol barrel minimum is 6.5
2) AR pistol OAL cannot exceed 26 inches

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My understanding is that minimum barrel length is 4 inches, max is 15.9 inches for a pistol.

As for OAL, I believe 26 inches is the maximum under federal law before it is considered a "firearm" as opposed to concealable pistol. It could still be a pistol under California law.
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Wow...there is a lot of reading to do.

Can someone answer a question for me. I acquired couple rifles after 2014 and do not remember the dates that I acquired them. I saw that some people got rejection because the dates did not match the database information. I've already sent a request for firearms info to DOJ with the form they provide and sent it notarized. Will the list of firearms they send me have the dates?
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Wow...there is a lot of reading to do.

Can someone answer a question for me. I acquired couple rifles after 2014 and do not remember the dates that I acquired them. I saw that some people got rejection because the dates did not match the database information. I've already sent a request for firearms info to DOJ with the form they provide and sent it notarized. Will the list of firearms they send me have the dates?
I believe so but getting that form can take months and may make you miss the deadline. I would suggest to visit the FFLs you got the firearms from. They should be able to provide you a copy of the DROS.
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Time Check: Just about two weeks and still waiting, all my registrations just show in progress, no 80%'s so I would have expected a quick approval and letter but no such luck.
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Thanks for the great information in this thread, a lot of effort was put into the OP.

I have a question that I cant find the answer for. Is there a law enforcement exemption to registration? (Personally owned, not department rifles)

Sorry if I missed the answer somewhere. 36 pages was a little too much to scan through.
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Thanks for the great information in this thread, a lot of effort was put into the OP.

I have a question that I cant find the answer for. Is there a law enforcement exemption to registration? (Personally owned, not department rifles)

Sorry if I missed the answer somewhere. 36 pages was a little too much to scan through.
Nope, no exemption for personally owned weapons for LE.

The only AW-related exemption for LE, is you can apply for a permit from DOJ to acquire (any) AW if you have an approval from your department - but I'm not sure if the permit applies to personal weapons or just ones for duty.
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Nope, no exemption for personally owned weapons for LE.

The only AW-related exemption for LE, is you can apply for a permit from DOJ to acquire (any) AW if you have an approval from your department - but I'm not sure if the permit applies to personal weapons or just ones for duty.
Thanks for the quick reply! Bummer too...
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What happens if I misplaced my DROS paperwork during a move, so I don't have the date when the DROS was submitted? All were purchased in 2016. One of the FFLs went out of business, so I can no longer contact them for the information. Is there any other way to get the information needed to register? Or is best guess OK, if it's within the correct month?

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What happens if I misplaced my DROS paperwork during a move, so I don't have the date when the DROS was submitted? All were purchased in 2016. One of the FFLs went out of business, so I can no longer contact them for the information. Is there any other way to get the information needed to register? Or is best guess OK, if it's within the correct month?
For the ones where the FFL is still in business, call them up or pay a visit to get the DROS dates.

For the one where the FFL is out of business, all you can do is make your best guess. Review credit card statements, that might get you the correct date. Otherwise, note in the Comments that the date is only a guess, and the FFL is out of business and unreachable - hopefully they can then provide you with the correct date.

Generally, for some reason, DOJ refuses to tell us what our purchase dates are even if they know goddamn well what it is. They'l say "Your date doesn't match what we have in our record," and you say "Well what date do you have?" and they say "Call your FFL if you don't know what it is." I don't know why they like playing games instead of just answering our questions so it can proceed forward, but that's the way they're doing it for some dumb reason.
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Just an FYI... DOJ will accept a form 1008 (New serial number application) with the FSC line blank, if you are exempt. I explained in my email that I have a valid CA CCW and thus no FSC, and they didn't have a problem with that, and issued me my serials. I would assume the same applies for hunting licenses (for long gun serials). Updated the OP to reflect this new info.
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Anyone else having problems with CFARS malfunctioning during the submission?
I did...it won't accept my address. I double and triple and quadruple checked it. Even tried all caps and and even put it all together with no space...still says there is an incorrect character or something. My address is a very straight forward address with no suite numbers or anything such as:

John Doe
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Makes no sense....ugh!

UPDATE: IT TURNS OUT THE FFL DEALER ADDRESS WAS IN ERROR. HAS TO HAVE "ST." SPELLED OUT TO "STREET". THE SYSTEM ONLY HIGHLIGHTED MY ADDRESS WHICH IS ON THE WAY TOP OF THE REGISTRATION AND THE DEALER ADDRESS IS AT THE WAY BOTTOM OF THE REGISTRATION. SAID THERE WAS AN "INVALID CHARACTER"

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What is the current timeline for DOJ processing "NEW" RAW applications?

I've heard someone say "2 months" , but curious how long it as taken others to get approved.

Would a Raddlock bullet button would get a denial from DOJ?
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What is the current timeline for DOJ processing "NEW" RAW applications?

I've heard someone say "2 months" , but curious how long it as taken others to get approved.

Would a Raddlock bullet button would get a denial from DOJ?
Hopefully not 2 months, that is cutting it close. I wouldn't want to find out how they deal with a pending submission come the deadline
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I've heard someone say "2 months" , but curious how long it as taken others to get approved.

Would a Raddlock bullet button would get a denial from DOJ?
It varies quite a bit. Some people have reported 10 days, others have reported 90. Most seem to fall somewhere in the middle - around 45 days.

They do seem to "prioritize" applications that contain only basic AR style rifles. But even that is hit-or-miss.

Raddlocks are fine, many people have been approved with them. I even recommend them, simply for the possibility (however remote) that their ability to be converted without changing any parts might prove to be good thing. Or it also might never help at all, who knows... but it's only $35, so why not register with it just in case?
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I am starting to sweat balls over my volreg home builds, no word yet. My BBAW's took about 6-7 weeks for each batch, it's been 9 weeks since then (I submitted the volreg at the same time as the last BBAW batch).

Anyone also experiencing slow times for the volreg?
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It varies quite a bit. Some people have reported 10 days, others have reported 90. Most seem to fall somewhere in the middle - around 45 days.

They do seem to "prioritize" applications that contain only basic AR style rifles. But even that is hit-or-miss.

Raddlocks are fine, many people have been approved with them. I even recommend them, simply for the possibility (however remote) that their ability to be converted without changing any parts might prove to be good thing. Or it also might never help at all, who knows... but it's only $35, so why not register with it just in case?
Can't you technically legally switch to a raddlock later on once its registered? It may be a grey area but from my understanding, you are allowed to switch the BB for a "like kind". Does that mean a standard BB can only be switched with a standard BB and a raddlock only for raddlock? Or any BB as long as it is a BB? I wouldn't want to be the test case but I am just wondering.
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It varies quite a bit. Some people have reported 10 days, others have reported 90. Most seem to fall somewhere in the middle - around 45 days.

They do seem to "prioritize" applications that contain only basic AR style rifles. But even that is hit-or-miss.

Raddlocks are fine, many people have been approved with them. I even recommend them, simply for the possibility (however remote) that their ability to be converted without changing any parts might prove to be good thing. Or it also might never help at all, who knows... but it's only $35, so why not register with it just in case?


I switched one of my guns from a raddlock to standard BB before registering just to try to make it simpler without any hang ups, but maybe I should have just kept it on.

Hopefully court challenges pan out for those who registered.


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Can't you technically legally switch to a raddlock later on once its registered? It may be a grey area but from my understanding, you are allowed to switch the BB for a "like kind". Does that mean a standard BB can only be switched with a standard BB and a raddlock only for raddlock? Or any BB as long as it is a BB? I wouldn't want to be the test case but I am just wondering.
A BB is a BB. Problem with Raddlock is it's not a BB when it's in the not-a-bb position. You can remove and replace any BB for any BB at any time.

The question is what happens when it's not in the right position. That's really a question about the legality of the radlock in general. Nothing to do with registration.

If you wanted to replace your regular BB with one shaped like Joe Montana eating a ham sandwich while skateboarding- no problem. A BB is a BB- it requires tools and time to operate the mag release.
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So I have a 14.7" rifle barrel that was purchased with a welded vortex flash hider, making OAL 16.1 . How should I report this? I believe being welded makes it a legal 16" so should I just put 16" and make no mention of pre welded length?
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So I have a 14.7" rifle barrel that was purchased with a welded vortex flash hider, making OAL 16.1 . How should I report this? I believe being welded makes it a legal 16" so should I just put 16" and make no mention of pre welded length?
16 inch is fine. No need to mention it.
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Old 04-20-2018, 10:31 PM
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So I have a 14.7" rifle barrel that was purchased with a welded vortex flash hider, making OAL 16.1 . How should I report this? I believe being welded makes it a legal 16" so should I just put 16" and make no mention of pre welded length?
I had the same thing with an AR-10 build, I put in the comments that it was blind pinned and welded and permanently attached. It preempts the email where they ask for an explanation or a another picture.
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I apologize if this has already been answered. I searched and could not find.

I bought my AR as a lower receiver only through a calguns.net group buy back in 2005 (I think). I have no idea who the seller was. I donít even know the zip code. All I remember is that I went to a hole in the wall law office in the east bay somewhere and they were selling lowers like hot cakes.

Does anyone remember that situation?

If not, what should I put down on the registration info for business, zip code, etc. when I legitimately cannot remember?
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Old 04-21-2018, 11:01 AM
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As we register our ďassault weaponsĒ we are required to select which evil features they have. Does this mean they must forever stay this way? If I register a rifle with a fixed stock, can it later be changed to a collapsible stock? Can we add a forward grip legally to our rifle before registering and then select that feature when we register it? I have a rifle with a fixed stock, but donít know if Iíll always want that. One of the great things about the AR platform is itís adaptability to different needs. What if my needs change later in life?
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Old 04-21-2018, 11:49 AM
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As we register our ďassault weaponsĒ we are required to select which evil features they have. Does this mean they must forever stay this way? If I register a rifle with a fixed stock, can it later be changed to a collapsible stock? Can we add a forward grip legally to our rifle before registering and then select that feature when we register it? I have a rifle with a fixed stock, but donít know if Iíll always want that. One of the great things about the AR platform is itís adaptability to different needs. What if my needs change later in life?


They do not have to stay in the configuration that it is registered in, other than the bullet button must remain.


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Thatís good news! Now, on the forward grip issue, are these allowed if we register our guns as ďassault weaponsĒ? I thought, before all this RAW stuff started, that forward grips were a NO-NO. If we register without a forward grip and add one later are we ok? Is this our chance to legally have a forward grip?
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