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Old 09-07-2018, 8:04 AM
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Arrow interstate intrafamilial handgun transfer

this may be a noob question but I dont know the facts. I want to buy a off roster Glock 42 from a seller in LA but I live in the Bay Area. are transfer legal if shipped to my local FFL?
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this may be a noob question but I dont know the facts. I want to buy a off roster Glock 42 from a seller in LA but I live in the Bay Area. are transfer legal if shipped to my local FFL?
No, can't be shipped, has to be transferred as a CA PPT, unless it is you parent/child/grandparent/grandchild.
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No, can't be shipped, has to be transferred as a CA PPT, unless it is you parent/child/grandparent/grandchild.
Just to build on what Kemasa means, PPT is a face to face transfer between two, private party, California residents with CA ID/DL
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ok with that said. can my dad in Colorado just send his off roster weapon to my ffl and what takes place in that matter or does he have to be here as well with a ca id
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ok with that said. can my dad in Colorado just send his off roster weapon to my ffl and what takes place in that matter or does he have to be here as well with a ca id
That's an 'interstate intrafamilial transfer'. See the sticky - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1058641

Short answer, yes CO-dad may transfer off-Roster to CA-son, in person (no CA id needed from him) or shipped to CA FFL.
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Can’t be shipped as stated for the PPT


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ok I keep making threads here sorry. but more clarify my question. since I cant ship a off roster firearm form another state from a PPT.
my dad in Colorado has two firearms he wants to give to me as a gift but he lives in CO is it as simple him filling out the proper paperwork in his state at his local FFL and then that FFL ships the firearms to my local FFL and do my end and waiting period here ? and there both off roster hand guns
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Does he already have these guns or planning on going to buy them with the intention of gifting them to you?
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OP both guns must go through an FFL on your end. Your dad can bring the guns to Ca and meet at an FFL and do the transfer or use an FFL to FFL transfer. 1 in 30 does apply.
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Does he already have these guns or planning on going to buy them with the intention of gifting them to you?
he already owns them
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He can ship direct to ffl here. FUD that he has to use ffl to ship. Lots of posts on this. Lead farmer half right
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He can also ship them to a CA FFL directly with a letter and a copy of his state issued ID.
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That is legal, BUT before he ships, make sure that you scout out and confirm two important things with your receiving FFL:
1 - Do they understand that California law provides a roster exemption for intrafamilial transfers?
2 - Do they release at 30 days should your DROS go "undetermined"?


Undetermined DROS has been a BIG problem lately. Turners and a lot of other FFLs won't release on "undetermined" even though it is not a denial, it is not a delay, and it IS perfectly legal to release.
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He can ship direct to ffl here. FUD that he has to use ffl to ship. Lots of posts on this. Lead farmer half right
Correct.
Some local FFLs require the shipping party to be an FFL and in the CFLC system.


The main problem with shipping though, is that FedEx and UPS will not accept firearms, and a private individual can not ship handguns via USPS, while an FFL can.
IF he is able to get UPS to accept the shipment, it will have to be shipped overnight, and from the terminal... not the "UPS Store"
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My son in NC used ShipMyGun.com (SMG) website to ship a handgun to an FFL here in CA. The SMG provides for a private party to pay for the shipment (next day air via Fedex) with a credit card and print a label. You can insure it for an amount determined by you. Take the handgun sealed in the box with the label attached to Fedex Center (not Fedex store) and drop it off. The next day it arrives at your selected FFL. Very efficient and legal. Just ensure the FFL you are using will accept this process.
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thank you all very much
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The main problem with shipping though, is that FedEx and UPS will not accept firearms, and a private individual can not ship handguns via USPS, while an FFL can.
Huh? People (non-FFLs) ship firearms through UPS/FedEx all the time, including handguns. You can go to their web site and see their policy on how to ship firearms. Handguns, by policy, not law, have to be shipped overnight with UPS/FedEx.

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The UPS Store isn't UPS, which is why you can ship firearms through them. It is a different company and the locations are likely to be a franchise.
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Where did coke get that nonsense about no shipping thru ups and fedex ? Hairdressers cousin I guess.
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Where did coke get that nonsense about no shipping thru ups and fedex ? Hairdressers cousin I guess.
Been a few comments made recently on the forum about them not accepting shipments.

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Some locations have issues, making up rules that don't actually exist, so calls to Corp. tend to solve that problem.

As I said, look at their online polices and it doesn't say that they don't accept firearms.

Oh, then there is also the claim that handguns can never be shipped USPS, not saying that it is actually just limited to dealers. In other words don't believe everything that you read on the Internet.
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hello I am trying to get the right information here. my mom lives in AZ as a correction officer and is gifting me 2 used fire arms that are off roster Glocks. now what I know I can received them. but she is in a small town chino valley AZ where the. FFL won't ship to a FFL here cus they think it against the law. now can my mom ship the firearms her self with the proper documents. (what would she need as proof ) and how to go about it and also can I DROS both with out the 1/30 rule and if any FFL here where I live. TRACY/BAYAREA location can do this transfer. please help
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hello I am trying to get the right information here. my mom lives in AZ as a correction officer and is gifting me 2 used fire arms that are off roster Glocks. now what I know I can received them. but she is in a small town chino valley AZ where the. FFL won't ship to a FFL here cus they think it against the law. now can my mom ship the firearms her self with the proper documents. (what would she need as proof ) and how to go about it and also can I DROS both with out the 1/30 rule and if any FFL here where I live. TRACY/BAYAREA location can do this transfer. please help
She can ship direct, as long as it is ok with the receiving FFL. Typically she would need to provide a copy of her ID to log where it came from.

Shipping from an FFL is often cheaper since it can be shipped USPS, otherwise it has to be shipped UPS/FedEx overnight. You might see if the FFL there can be educated.

Unless you have a C&R FFL and COE, you would be subject to the 1 in 30.

She would also need to provide a letter documenting the transfer as an intra-familial transfer.
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FEATURELESS. As temping that may be I might as well drive to the nearest prison. How would I reg it? If already in my mother’s name in az?
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1) Drive to AZ. See Mom. Pick up firearms.
2) Drive home.
This is a very quick way to become a federal felon.

But, mom could legally drive (or fly) them to your California FFL.
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Also keep in mind that even though the transfer is roster-exempt, the 1-every-30 limit does apply.
She can ship both to the FFL at the same time, but you can only DROS one a month... make sure the receiving FFL is OK with holding one for a month.
Also, the transfer will be subject to normal transfer fees... it is not a $35 PPT.
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This is a very quick way to become a federal felon.
But, mom could legally drive (or fly) them to your California FFL.
This. If you're in southern CA, probably the easiest way to do it.
Scout your local FFLs and make sure that they understand that:
1 - Intrafamilial transfers are roster-exempt
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1) Drive to AZ. See Mom. Pick up firearms.
2) Drive home.
3) Both be picked up by Feds.

4) Both be convicted of violating 18 USC 922, and sentenced to $10K fines, 5 years in Federal prison, and permanent bar from even touching a firearm.


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And mmaaka, this is exactly the same question you asked here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1475117, with 'mom' instead of 'dad'.
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Well apparently THAT was a stupid idea. In the future I'll stick to keeping myself California compliant and refrain on commenting on other legal issues I know nothing about.
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Well apparently THAT was a stupid idea. In the future I'll stick to keeping myself California compliant and refrain on commenting on other legal issues I know nothing about.
That's OK - even the CA-DOJ frequently gives the advice you offered, as well as some number of CA FFLs. Forgetting about Federal law seems a widespread error.
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Well apparently THAT was a stupid idea. In the future I'll stick to keeping myself California compliant and refrain on commenting on other legal issues I know nothing about.
You weren't trolling the new guy?

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True, but not relevant since what is being discussed isn't a CA PPT.
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I’ve talked to several ffl’s regarding this in the last month. Either they say it’s illegal for them to transfer becuase it’s not on the roster or they say have it shipped to your door and sent doj 19 buck with a peice of paper. The latter doesn’t seem to care even after I tell them it would break federal law. There is only one shop I’ve found that will do the transfer correctly in my area
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They can call the CA DOJ and ask and get the answer as to how to do it. You could also ask if they know how to do roster exempt single action revolvers of a given size or C&R firearms.
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ok with that said. can my dad in Colorado just send his off roster weapon to my ffl and what takes place in that matter or does he have to be here as well with a ca id
Given that you just said that you want to BUY one, and when told "no", you change to getting one from Dad, I'm gonna' go with "no" simply because the intrafamilial transfer must be a gift. You can not legally send the money to anyone to buy a gun for you.
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But mom is in AZ and dad is in CO
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That's OK - even the CA-DOJ frequently gives the advice you offered, as well as some number of CA FFLs. Forgetting about Federal law seems a widespread error.
Likewise, I've had a number of FFLs out of state insist that they can legally sell me a long gun cash and carry.
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A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.
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Old 09-11-2018, 7:42 PM
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I'm gonna' go with "no" simply because the intrafamilial transfer must be a gift. You can not legally send the money to anyone to buy a gun for you.
Where does it say that an intra-familial transfer has to be a gift?

There are two different issues in regards to giving someone money to buy a gun for you. The first is if they fill out a 4473 as they wouldn't be the actual buyer. That can be avoided in a private sale in a free state. The second would be that they would be acting as an unlicensed gun dealer and you can't around that.
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