Shooting range on International Waters?

[Ech0Sierra]

What do you think of a deactivated aircraft carrier permanently anchored in International Waters being used as a shooting range? I know we need backstops, a long-arse anchor chain, and other things, but do you think it's possible? That 300 meter flight deck is calling me for some reason. Maybe it's also the fact that it's on the High Seas. Goodbye, NFA, you don't exist! What do you guys think?

[NeoWeird]

I believe firing a firearm in international waters is a known signal of distress and you'll have any local vessels come to help.

Or maybe that's just US waters...

[Patriot]

Originally Posted by NeoWeird

I believe firing a firearm in international waters is a known signal of distress and you'll have any local vessels come to help.

Or maybe that's just US waters...

If the NFA isn't in force there, sound suppressors ought to do the trick

[Ech0Sierra]

Originally Posted by NeoWeird

I believe firing a firearm in international waters is a known signal of distress and you'll have any local vessels come to help.

Or maybe that's just US waters...

Gee, all the cruises I've been on had clay shooting.
Also,
USS Missouri, location unknown

USS Wasp, Gulf of Oman

[tankerman]

Well the US Exclusive Economic Zone extends 200 miles from shore and International water are outside that.....bring lots of anchor chain it will be many thousands of feet deep.

[t001]

Actually internatioal waters is a lot closer in. EEZ is a different matter completely.

Originally Posted by tankerman

Well the US Exclusive Economic Zone extends 200 miles from shore and International water are outside that.....bring lots of anchor chain it will be many thousands of feet deep.

[tankerman]

Originally Posted by t001

Actually internatioal waters is a lot closer in. EEZ is a different matter completely.

Internal, International. Two different words

[t001]

Hey, that's pretty cool, EchoSierra. Do they keep some of the nicer hunting variety shotties in the armory for just such a purpose? Or are they on hand in case some bird control may be needed somewhere? That's great that the Navy lets you shoot clays off the ships.

(O noes , I just called shotguns shotties, I hope the ATA members in the shotty vs. AR as the only gun thread don't come down on me like wraths of god! )

Originally Posted by Ech0Sierra

Gee, all the cruises I've been on had clay shooting.
USS Wasp, Gulf of Oman

[Ech0Sierra]

Originally Posted by t001

Hey, that's pretty cool, EchoSierra. Do they keep some of the nicer hunting variety shotties in the armory for just such a purpose? Or are they on hand in case some bird control may be needed somewhere? That's great that the Navy lets you shoot clays off the ships.

(O noes , I just called shotguns shotties, I hope the ATA members in the shotty vs. AR as the only gun thread don't come down on me like wraths of god! )

Maybe they're for the Officers' amusement. I'd expect the armory on an Aircraft carrier to be about 6,000 M9s and M4s, ready to be used by pilots, cooks, doctors, maintenance, mechanics, officers, and a couple Marines.

[Patriot]

On second thought, we better not risk waking he who lies not dead but dreaming

In all fairness it seems unlikely that small arm fire will succeed where 16in naval guns have heretofore failed, but can we afford to take that risk?

[SDJim]

Originally Posted by Ech0Sierra

Maybe they're for the Officers' amusement. I'd expect the armory on an Aircraft carrier to be about 6,000 M9s and M4s, ready to be used by pilots, cooks, doctors, maintenance, mechanics, officers, and a couple Marines.

More like 60 M9's, 10 M16A2, 20 M16M4, 10 M14's, 20 12ga shotguns, 10 M249's, 12 .50cals 2 CIWS' and 2 NATO Sea Sparrows . . .

Not nearly the arsenal you think there would be with 5,000 +/- personnel

[JHC]

Originally Posted by Ech0Sierra

Maybe they're for the Officers' amusement. I'd expect the armory on an Aircraft carrier to be about 6,000 M9s and M4s, ready to be used by pilots, cooks, doctors, maintenance, mechanics, officers, and a couple Marines.

The armory on the carrier I was on had practically nothing as far as small arms go,I visited often to check out keys and could clearly see that we didn't have jack, the ships magazines on the other hand were very well stocked.

[Ech0Sierra]

Dang, anyone wanna pitch in? I wonder if we can sneak into the Exclusive Economic Zone, it's not like we're drilling for oil or fishing, right? Maybe the Contiguous Zone? I don't think it would violate "customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea."

[Nikola]

Originally Posted by Ech0Sierra

Dang, anyone wanna pitch in? I wonder if we can sneak into the Exclusive Economic Zone, it's not like we're drilling for oil or fishing, right? Maybe the Contiguous Zone? I don't think it would violate "customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea."

"Pitch in"?? Like to buy a carrier?

Maybe i'm just gullible or oblivious, but is this a real idea? It sounds cool...

[Ech0Sierra]

I meant the chain, and this is just saturday daydreaming...

[Ech0Sierra]

I think it would be the least pirated ship.
(RIB with gunmen 150 yards away)
ATTENTION SHOOTERS! NOW IS OUR MANDATORY MOVING TARGET DRILL! THE TARGET IS 120 METERS OFF THE STARBOARD BOW! ADJUST YOUR AIM ACCORDINGLY. (No more pirates.)

[Ech0Sierra]

exclusive economic zone extends for 200 nautical miles (370 km) beyond the baselines of the territorial sea, thus it includes the territorial sea and its contiguous zone.[3] A coastal nation has control of all economic resources within its exclusive economic zone, including fishing, mining, oil exploration, and any pollution of those resources. However, it cannot regulate or prohibit passage or loitering above, on, or under the surface of the sea, whether innocent or belligerent, within that portion of its exclusive economic zone beyond its territorial sea.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

we better not risk waking he who lies not dead but dreaming

"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu Rl'yeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"!

[SDJim]

My first couple of ships had a couple of nice skeet guns, a thrower and ammo. Gave us something to do on "Beer Days" or that lazy Sunday while your floating around the Indian Ocean at $5 to MWR for a box of shells.

Most of the MWR weapons were pulled off the ship's sometime in the mid-90's. Mostly due to the inability for Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) to track recalls of civilian ammunition. With the military stuff, problematic ammunition is tracked by lot numbers and a NAR (Naval Ammunition Reclassification) is issued directing ships and shore activities to offload or dispose of the ammunition in question.

Or as an XO I had told myself and the Weapons Officer, "Get that S**T off of my ship". It had something to do with the CO not being comfortable conducting a skeet shoot off the fantail.

[jtv3062]

As far as the whole ship thing! Hell yea! Count me in! I say we go down to the mothball fleet down by Martinez and pirate ourselves a ship from there! ARRghghgh!! I mean, buy one!

SF, How about we go after the one with the 16in guns. I mean it's right their on the end of the 3rd row. What better ship to have to shoot guns out on the high seas. Shoulder fire then turrent fire.

[Patriot]

Originally Posted by jtv3062

SF, How about we go after the one with the 16in guns. I mean it's right their on the end of the 3rd row. What better ship to have to shoot guns out on the high seas. Shoulder fire then turrent fire.

Yeah, but think of the cost per round. On second thought, don't go there.

[Stormfeather]

Originally Posted by Patriot

Yeah, but think of the cost per round. On second thought, don't go there.

But, weve got calgun'ers who as reloading guru's. Im sure we can get them to reload some rounds for us, if we can save the brass that is. . . . .

"how many grains of powder did you say you need?. . . . ."

Originally Posted by C.G.

I want to see how many of you will puke your guts out!

Ive only gotten seasick one time, and that was on the ferry from Fajardo to Culebra in Puerto Rico. Dont know why it happened, it just did. Ive never had the problem before or since and I love being on boats.

[C.G.]

Originally Posted by Stormfeather

But, weve got calgun'ers who as reloading guru's. Im sure we can get them to reload some rounds for us, if we can save the brass that is. . . . .
"how many grains of powder did you say you need?. . . . ."

Time to get bigger press.

[Ech0Sierra]

Hmmm... dies the size of your computer... think of switching calibers!!!!!

[jtv3062]

Originally Posted by Technical Ted

The 16" guns on the Iowa class battleships don't use cartridge ammo.

We'll need silk sacks and 8 pounds of powder per bag.

[SDJim]

655 lbs for a full bore load X 7000 = 4585000 grains of powder to get the 2700 projectile moving at about 2500 fps for max range of approximately 24 or so miles

[Patriot]

Originally Posted by SDJim

655 lbs for a full bore load X 7000 = 4585000 grains of powder to get the 2700 projectile moving at about 2500 fps for max range of approximately 24 or so miles

655lbs of powder

Either someone needs a smokeless powder permit, or we get 33 Calgunners to bring 19.85lbs each

[Stormfeather]

Originally Posted by SDJim

655 lbs for a full bore load X 7000 = 4585000 grains of powder to get the 2700 projectile moving at about 2500 fps for max range of approximately 24 or so miles

yea, but whats considered a good minute of angle for it?

[Patriot]

Originally Posted by Stormfeather

yea, but whats considered a good minute of angle for it?

1 MOA = 1" @ 100 yards

24miles --> 1760 yards in a mile = 42,240 yards

42,240 yards / 100 = 422.4"

1 MOA @ 24 miles = 422.4"

= 35.2' @ 24 miles

Maybe if we handload with match grade powder and shells we can get sub-MOA results

[SDJim]

Originally Posted by Stormfeather

yea, but whats considered a good minute of angle for it?

Isn't the optimal angle for artillery right around 45º?
Any Red-Legs around to chime in??

[Ech0Sierra]

You are forgetting air resistance, 45 degrees is good in a vacuum, 55 degrees is better.

[aplinker]

How are we going to get out there? Gene gonna run shuttle with his yacht?

Might be the most expensive shooting range ever.

[Ech0Sierra]

Maybe I can get a CH-46 thrown in with the carrier... hope you guys like jump seats!