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Old 10-07-2020, 1:24 PM
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BTW, you are way off on your demographics.

According to 2018 US Census Bureau estimates, California's population was 59.5% White (36.6% Non-Hispanic White), 14.7% Asian, 13.8% Some Other Race, 5.8% Black or African American, 0.8% Native American and Alaskan Native, 0.4% Pacific Islander and 5.1% from two or more races.
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Care to bet a C-note?

Not a chance Trump wins California. Wish it wasn't true but it is.
So are you not going to vote?
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Yes, but not through any machinations of the Ca Legislature.

With Barrett on SCOTUS. AND 4 more years in office. Trump will likely turn SCOTUS back to its original task of protecting the Constitution.

Which will incrementally strike down Anti 2A laws across the board nationally.

It will take time, likely decades. But turning the Anti 2A tide is the single most important accomplishment of the Donald.
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Perhaps Mr. Blue should read the thread. Of course I'm going to vote just as I have in every election for the past 39 years.
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If Trump wins and he get to continue to put pro constitution justices on the federal courts and SCOTUS, gun laws in CA can and will change.
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Trump cannot win California. Not a chance in hell.
I believe the OP was asking if Trump wins, can he help us with our terrible CA gun laws?

And the answer is yes.

Legendary Judge Benitez was appointed by President George W Bush. That judge was responsible for the freedom week (legal standard cap magazine).
Judge Kenneth Lee, who helped the 9th circuit strike down CA's mag ban as unconstitutional, was appointed by Trump.

Conservative/Republican presidents will for the most part appoint 2A friendly judges. And they will over time strike down unconstitutional gun laws. If the local courts can't help us, there's always SCOTUS.

Just don't expect changes right away. But they will come, slowly, via the appointed judges.

EDIT: Nvm. Turns out I didn't read. The OP's post and title are two different things.
Trump winning CA or losing CA makes no difference. The only difference is whether or not he wins the election. Oh, and Trump will never win CA.

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Judges is basically all the aid CA will get.
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Yes, but not through any machinations of the Ca Legislature.

With Barrett on SCOTUS. AND 4 more years in office. Trump will likely turn SCOTUS back to its original task of protecting the Constitution.

Which will incrementally strike down Anti 2A laws across the board nationally.

It will take time, likely decades. But turning the Anti 2A tide is the single most important accomplishment of the Donald.
Absolutely ****ing true.
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As long as he keeps replacing judges, SURE it can change.
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California used to be Republican, but it can稚 go that way anymore because the democrats are shipping in illegal immigrants and their families. They left their sh*thole country and now are trying to make California into a sh*thole too, and they池e succeeding.
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Ah yes because Trump winning in 2016 changed CA laws for the better

Wise up.

Only hope there is if he wins, senate stays with a republican majority, and the 9th keeps getting stacked. Seeing as how nothing has really changed from the 9th in the last decade or so... Yeah I wouldn't be too hopeful for anything anytime soon.

As for SCOTUS, that's a complete toss-up, I doubt they'll do anything to strengthen gun rights that'll affect us in CA (i.e. AWBs, CCW GC requirements, open carry, magazine restrictions, and so on).

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Things will change if Trump gets four more years as far as judges are concerned and the veto power over gun laws. The first thing that needs to change in Ca. is a Proposition to get rid of the law passed ( by the people ) to put the top two vote getters from the primary on the ballot regardless of party. They run multiple Dems and stack the primary so we end up voting our choice of Democrats because they are the only choice on the ballot. It needs to return to the winner from each party being on the ballot. No party has a chance under the present system except the Dems.
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Trump was a 4 year lull in the steep decline of America. The decline will resume shortly. Demographics are the future and that looks democrat.
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Ah yes because Trump winning in 2016 changed CA laws for the better

Wise up.

Only hope there is if he wins, senate stays with a republican majority, and the 9th keeps getting stacked. Seeing as how nothing has really changed from the 9th in the last decade or so... Yeah I wouldn't be too hopeful for anything anytime soon.

As for SCOTUS, that's a complete toss-up, I doubt they'll do anything to strengthen gun rights that'll affect us in CA (i.e. AWBs, CCW GC requirements, open carry, magazine restrictions, and so on).
You need to "wise" up.

You have zero idea what you're talkin' about.

Trump is eating away at decades of deep state judicial appointments. Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama. To undo that takes years, not months.

He can't do anything for CA unless there is a majority of conservative/Originalists in the SCOTUS and 9th Circuit. He is about to historically change the makeup of the SCOTUS with his appointment of Barrett. CA gun owners cannot help themselves without the help of the rest of the country to get the circumstances to push for change in the judicial makeup that ties in with CA. That means voting Trump in to change the 9th in the next four years, and to solidify the SCOTUS with future retirements of Breyer and Thomas.

Biden will not do this.
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The route for CA gun law changes via Trump are another 4 years of judicial and SCOTUS appointments. The 9th circuit is almost even instead of overwhelmingly left, another 4 years makes even a flip possible for the 9th.
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My strategy is to financially support candidates in other states that have a reasonable chance of winning.
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Of course I will vote R, even if it is a hopeless situation. BUT every election cycle I choose a few races in other states and contribute. We need to hold the senate no matter what happens with the President. If we have the senate court-packing is a no go.

John James in Michigan is making a contest of it. He needs our support.

Martha McSally in Arizona. This one is much closer than predicted and some outside support could help.
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If Trump wins and he get to continue to put pro constitution justices on the federal courts and SCOTUS, gun laws in CA can and will change.
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Trump cannot win here. A Trump win is pure fantasy.
Agreed Trump will not win this state that will never ever happen period. Any Republican winning this state ended in 88 with Bush Sr.


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I don't know, Gavin just ordered people to wear masks in between bites at restaurants. That alone probably turned a million votes Red.
Not a chance.

I'll say the next election in this state not one Democrat will lose a single seat here. No matter the restrictions placed upon them it won't change a dam thing here. The people here want to be ruled like subjects and this state is more than happy to do so.


We are not citizens in this state we are subjects to the state.
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If Trump wins and he get to continue to put pro constitution justices on the federal courts and SCOTUS, gun laws in CA can and will change.
Agreed in fact they will get worse than ever before. Newsom is going to make every previous governor look more pro gun even though they signed gun control legislation in their tenure.

He's about 2 years into his first term and will probably soundly win a second term.

My estimate is that he has signed close to 20 gun control bills in that time. This year without the Rona would have seen a lot more legislation sent to his desk. There is no veto from Newsom.

Next year they will play catch up and we will worse off than this year.

Sure the pro gun orgs will sue all the while those laws are in full effect.
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Trump was a 4 year lull in the steep decline of America. The decline will resume shortly. Demographics are the future and that looks democrat.
California is the example of what Democrats want for this country.
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Yes, but not through any machinations of the Ca Legislature.

With Barrett on SCOTUS. AND 4 more years in office. Trump will likely turn SCOTUS back to its original task of protecting the Constitution.

Which will incrementally strike down Anti 2A laws across the board nationally.

It will take time, likely decades. But turning the Anti 2A tide is the single most important accomplishment of the Donald.
Well said, agree completely.
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California is the example of what Democrats want for this country.
Exactly. Little difference here if Bite-me wins. The rest of America gets transformed into California without the weather.

I hope they like it.
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Was in San Clemente last weekend. I was surprised by the number of people supporting Trump.

I know it's a tall order but what if Trump wins in CA, any hope we get rid of the roster
If Trump wins in California, we can all go to Washington DC for the inauguration party.

On flying pigs.

So, no, a Trump win won't change California law directly. However, the more judges Trump appoints, especially to the Supreme Court, the more likely that California's unconstitutional gun laws will be overturned.

So vote early and often.
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Well I would watch if the republicans are able to take more house/senate seats that are from California if that happens that can potentially tell us how the next governor election may go a lot of people here are getting tired of dem control
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IMO, 2A rights are not at the top of anyone's list of priorities except gun owners and gun rights organizations. If Trump wins he has a country/economy to rebuild and that will be his priority. I know he can multi-task but there's very little he can do about California except to appoint judges and how long will it take to see the results of that?
If Barrett is confirmed, and she probably will be, things will still happen very slowly. It takes four justices to get a case reviewed and then there are no guarantees what the decision will be. I don't expect SCOTUS to take on only 2A cases until all 2A cases waiting have been reviewed just because there's another conservative on the bench.
As far as California goes, no one here should expect to see the AWB or the gun roster go away in the near future.
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IMHO, all it will take is for Amy Comey Barrett to be on the bench, then the SCOTUS takes a 2A case and CA laws fall.

I'd like to see:
1) Constitutional Carry be determined to be the law of the land.
2) The AR-15 defined as a semi auto rifle, NOT an imaginary assault/military weapon.
3) No limit on magazine capacity
4) Elimination of the Roster
5) ALL LE Exclusions eliminated as a 14A violation.
6) Silencers available for everyone without a tax stamp

We don't need Trump to win, What we need is a SCOTUS that will hear the cases now that we would have a majority on the court.

But to answer your question YES, if Trump is re-elected the 2A has a high chance of being changed in CA. Especially if he can appoint more justices to the 9th.
Bravo,summed it up perfectly.

Amy Comey will 50 cal Barret the commies bs laws. It should be obvious that the SCOTUS punted the 2nd amendment cases because they knew Ginswine was on her way out(whomever is offended by my nickname for her tough sht,shes an evil vile woman who the world is grateful not to have ramming infanticide & evisceration of the constitution down the throats of the sane)

I was on this site saying I was sure she was in her last few months & I was flamed for it by a emo. But I was Proven right,& its obvious the conservative 3 justices knew & didn't want to show how terrible of a judge she was,by empowering her most hated enemies all in one shot:the constitution,rule of law,& supporters of liberty & the 2nd amendment,they also didn't want to risk having to depend on Benedict Arnold Roberts & Kavannaugh who might heavily water down liberty. With the Barret BMG on the court now we no longer depend on pansy Roberts, hopefully choir boy Kavannaugh doesn't cuck for Roberts & the leftist activist like hes been doing to kiss *** to the left.
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California used to be Republican, but it can’t go that way anymore because the democrats are shipping in illegal immigrants and their families. They left their sh*thole country and now are trying to make California into a sh*thole too, and they’re succeeding.
Don't blame immigrants for the up to 40% registered Republicans each election that don't vote,if these selfish arseholes all voted wed have a Republican super majority every election. If immigrants & dead relatives can vote in CA whats these 40% excuse?
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I live in CA and I知 going to vote. We need to continue to vote in CA for our republican presidents. One day, it may change things. Not likely, but its not worth quitting over.
Our California state 斗eaders have been trying to flood the state with their supporters by the freebies that they池e giving. Why put state funds towards illegals when the need is so great in this state for legal residents? Because they and their families will be voting someday or sooner. It just further strengthens their hold on the state. If illegals eventually voted Republican, Newsom would shut the border down tight.

What would make the voters change? At this point probably bread lines and maybe not even then.
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Don't blame immigrants for the up to 40% registered Republicans each election that don't vote,if these selfish arseholes all voted wed have a Republican super majority every election. If immigrants & dead relatives can vote in CA whats these 40% excuse?
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CA electoral votes will go Dem. Popular vote numbers will be inconsequential.
True, BUT, if we are able to deny the Democrats the popular vote win, then they can't run around screaming about how Biden would have won if not for the electoral college and how we absolutely have to dismantle the electoral college so that big cities dominate the rural areas in perpetuity.

A Trump popular vote win would shut all of them up for at least four years.
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Drove last week from Livermore to Oakland on 580. There was an army of Trump supporters and signs on the overpass. True hero's deep behind enemy lines.
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My strategy is to financially support candidates in other states that have a reasonable chance of winning.

I do the same however, trump needs every CA vote he can get. The closer it is, the more likely the Dems will be forced to divert 2024 money to California.

Just forcing them to have to spend money in CA to keep CA is a win.

Also, I壇 rather not listen to 4 more years of crying about the popular vote.
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He can also stem the tide of illegals and how they are used to inflate Democrat representation in the legislature. Having good judges helps in that effort.
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I know they say that the electoral college system favors the Republicans today. But I wonder if making a vote a vote would increase voter interested and turnout for Republicans in states like CA. It might help get more Republicans elected to the Assembly and Congress.
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I know they say that the electoral college system favors the Republicans today. But I wonder if making a vote a vote would increase voter interested and turnout for Republicans in states like CA. It might help get more Republicans elected to the Assembly and Congress.

Not only that, but the split in CA is only 60/40 if not closer (which makes it unpossible for a R to win in ca). But right out of the box, assuming it wouldn稚 encourage conservatives to vote if their vote mattered, dems would loose the equivalent of 22 EV痴 in popular vote AND they would have to spend advertising money to keep the equivalent of 33 EVs where they have been getting 55 EVs for free for 40 years.
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Drove last week from Livermore to Oakland on 580. There was an army of Trump supporters and signs on the overpass. True hero's deep behind enemy lines.
Too bad all their votes will be cancelled out by illegal aliens here.
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