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Old 10-16-2020, 6:06 AM
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We always hear that people understand supply and demand as well as the free market. However, when somebody sells something at a price that they deem is too high then that is a “dick move.”

You can either purchase it at that price or not. The decision is yours. If two parties agree upon a price, that’s it. Both parties are satisfied. Right now, demand is high for primers and supply is low. Right? $75 for 1,000 primers is high but if you need to shoot that match this weekend, they’re there and available for you to purchase. If your match is 100 rounds of 9mm, that is only going to cost you maybe $4 more at today’s inflated primer prices.

Now, let’s say there is a person that is sitting on 100K small pistol primers. He sees an ad on this site for 10 boxes of primers at $30 per thousand. He quickly swoops these up because he knows that it’s a good deal in today’s climate. He was faster than you and now there are no primers available for you to buy. You can’t shoot your weekend match. Now, if they’re priced at $75/1,000 he’ll probably pass on it (and leave it for somebody else) because he already has 100K at home. At least now, they’re still available and you can buy them and shoot your weekend match.

In today’s market, why would anybody sell a box of primers for $30 if it’ll cost them $75 to replace it. If you factor in shipping, Hazmat, and sales tax, $75 isn’t really that out of line. Just my .02.
I get all that. my point was that we, as gun owners, should be on the same side, not take advantage. I have plenty of what I need because I planned ahead, but just saw a post for primers at $100/1000. ridiculous.

I get that it costs a person $75 (or 100) to replace something they bought for $30. But then, why would you sell except to be a carpetbagger and take advantage?
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Lets say...Would someone who just turned 21 and starting to venture out into ownership of guns and belief in 2nd amendment realizes many of us gunowners are dicks and pandemic advantage takers be considered a short sighted whiner and bedwetter? Just asking.

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But, to "seasoned" shooters, hunters and handloaders who didn't see all this coming after all the chatter about the coming shortages, well........
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I've stopped looking, commenting about this issue. Too many here defending with "what the market will bare" and "you should have been prepared".

Gouging is just that and it's wrong. This is a societal problem, defending bad behavior and it's one reason we are in the situation we're in.

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OK, what formula would you adopt to establish what constitutes a low price, an OK price, a high price, and gouging? The fundamental lack of understanding of basic market principles is astounding (though I suppose it shouldn't be so surprising to me). I guess you're demanding that someone sell their items for a price that YOU have determined is suitable and not gouging. So, again, what is that formula so these "gougers" can follow it.
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Old 10-16-2020, 7:13 AM
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IMO, the first gun from a gun owner is essential. Ammo’s are essential. Folks need guns and ammo’s to protect themselves and their families so yes they are essential.


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I’m not going to tap into my prudent reserve to provide “fair pricing” to people just because they feel entitled to it.

In investing, there is a concept known as “opportunity costs” namely, the money I had in ammo and components over the years could have been invested and I exchanged those potential gains for the possession of a prudent reserve in times of scarcity.

I am either going to enjoy the fruits of those opportunity costs or I am going to enjoy an obscene profit margin.
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How come there are no "gouger's" when it come to CA home prices?

Home prices since 2012 have been the equivalent to $1500 G43X. People still pay it and believe they got a good deal, on both sides...lol!
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How come there are no "gouger's" when it come to CA home prices?

Home prices since 2012 have been the equivalent to $1500 G43X. People still pay it and believe they got a good deal, on both sides...lol!
Because price gouged homes don't sell during pandemics? Or no one thinks about gouging others during pandemic on home sales? There are real estate agents that tell you the fair price of a home to help you avoid price gouged homes? Or the many experts that tell you not to buy homes during certain uncertain times, or to buy during uncertain times?

The last 2 questions can relate to thousands of us on CG who compare and/or complain about price gougings and bagging on those that do. We are all gun estate agents per se?

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Because price gouged homes don't sell during pandemics? Or no one thinks about gouging others during pandemic on home sales? There are real estate agents that tell you the fair price of a home to help you avoid price gouged homes? Or the many experts that tell you not to buy homes during certain uncertain times, or to buy during uncertain times?

The last 2 questions can relate to thousands of us on CG who compare and/or complain about price gougings and bagging on those that do. We are all gun estate agents per se?

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But that 3/2 1400sqft for $600K in Oxnard...LNIB. If it doesn't sell its going back in the safe.
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Old 10-16-2020, 8:29 AM
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As Californians though, We are all price gouged daily in everything that we do and live by.


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Because price gouged homes don't sell during pandemics? Or no one thinks about gouging others during pandemic on home sales? There are real estate agents that tell you the fair price of a home to help you avoid price gouged homes? Or the many experts that tell you not to buy homes during certain uncertain times, or to buy during uncertain times?

The last 2 questions can relate to thousands of us on CG who compare and/or complain about price gougings and bagging on those that do. We are all gun estate agents per se?

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Ok. I’ll be an estate gun agent. For all new gun owners, all OEM Glocks do not worth more than $500.











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$.60 cpr seems to be steady.
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You can advertise a house for as much as you want but if it doesn't appraise close to that number they won't do the loan. You need a cash buyer (aka sucker?).
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So if I buy Gold at $1100.00 an ounce and sell it for $1500.00 I'm a price gouging?
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So if I buy Gold at $1100.00 an ounce and sell it for $1500.00 I'm a price gouging?
If the current gold price was at 1200 and you decided to sell it at 1500? Yea, that would be price gouging. But then if gold dealers were selling lets say 10% above current value, then you'd be only looking for suckers and your price gouging idea goes to ****.

But I guess it also has to do with supply and demand. If gold is current value at 1200, and there is no demand on it, selling at 1500 would only make you a fool. If the demand was high, then it price gouging seems right.

There are only 2 groups of people that didn't stockpile or stash his own personal ammo, a new gunowner and a foolish gunowner. Imo, just don't hate and bag on those that didn't stockpile or are complaining because you might mean to insult the foolish gunowners, but in turn will insult any new gunowners as well. We should be embracing new gunowners until we find out whether they vote R or D lol.

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lol I confess to buying a pack of Costco toilet paper on offer up for 50 bucks. I believe I got a "Crappy" deal and I know was the sucker but at that moment I would of either wiped my behind with two Andrew Jacksons and one Alexander Hamilton or double ply from Costco . I voluntarily chose to pay 50 bucks with out complaining about the seller. Thats just me and I used to complain about California gas prices and how we have to pay extra for summer blend gas while the rest of the nation enjoys sub 2 dollars a gallon now i just take it.
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If gold is current value at 1200, and there is no demand on it, selling at 1500 would only make you a fool.
You sound like the OP. How is the seller a fool ?
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You sound like the OP. How is the seller a fool ?
If product "a" current fair market value is $1, and the supply is there, but there is no demand from consumers, and a seller decides to up the price to $2 for better traction on a nondemanding product. Then yes, I would say the seller is a fool.


You know supply and demand... that... nvm.
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If the current gold price was at 1200 and you decided to sell it at 1500? Yea, that would be price gouging. But then if gold

You two are scarring me.. last I checked gold closed about $1900
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If product "a" current fair market value is $1, and the supply is there, but there is no demand from consumers, and a seller decides to up the price to $2 for better traction on a nondemanding product. Then yes, I would say the seller is a fool.
I thought we were talking about a widget that was in demand and had a short supply.
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IMHO, ammo is coming back in California, if you look for it.

A friend and I went shopping today. He got 100 rounds of PMC Bronze 223 for $52. I got AE 45 auto for $28.95/50 and Federal .270 WInchester for $21.95/20. Not fantastic prices but not scalper prices either. Ammo is out there. In 2019, I was paying $14.95/50 for S&B .45 ACP. Welcome to 2020.
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IMHO, ammo is coming back in California, if you look for it.

A friend and I went shopping today. He got 100 rounds of PMC Bronze 223 for $52. I got AE 45 auto for $28.95/50 and Federal .270 WInchester for $21.95/20. Not fantastic prices but not scalper prices either. Ammo is out there. In 2019, I was paying $14.95/50 for S&B .45 ACP. Welcome to 2020.
I took my Grandson to the local Big5 this morning for a T- ball glove and stuff. They didn't have a lot of ammo but definitely more than the past few months.

That's not a bad price for the .270 ammo.
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I took my Grandson to the local Big5 this morning for a T- ball glove and stuff. They didn't have a lot of ammo but definitely more than the past few months.



That's not a bad price for the .270 ammo.
Big 5 Ammo prices have not increased much or at all like everyone else.

These are all recent purchase from Big 5.
1. Pack of 40 - 7.62x39 steel - $11.99 ~30c
2. Pack of 20 - 7.62x39 brass - $11.99 ~60c
3. Pack of 50 - 9mm brass - $15.99 ~32c
4. Pack of 50 - 38 special brass - $19.99 ~40c
5. Pack of 800 - 22lr federal 36gr. - $59.99 ~7.5c
6. Pack of 50 - 357 mag brass - $24.99 ~50c

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1. ~60 to 75c.
2. ~80c and half of listing is for corrosive ammo.
3. ~50 to 90c.
4. " "
5. ~8 to 12c.
6. ~50 to 90c.


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You two are scarring me.. last I checked gold closed about $1900
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I don't want to let one go, however I COULD sell an AR to someone for $1800-$2000, but would not sell it for less, because to me it is THAT VALUABLE RIGHT NOW...

THAT is NOT gouging, only willing to let something go at the price that would MAKE me sell... It is unfortunate that lower-income brackets can't afford protection when BEER (Corona) HTF, but some things are not worth selling during a panic unless the seller and buyer can agree on a CURRENT (even panic) price.

Both parties have to be on board, or things don't sell.
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With so many ammo and component shortages in the last ten years I’m surprised almost everyone I know was caught empty handed. When they ask for Ammo at pre 2006 prices I consider THAT a dick move. How about stocking up and not asking others who stocked up and ate the opportunity costs to sell at ore panic prices? Let’s all grow up and PLAN AHEAD for the next crisis.
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