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Old 11-08-2019, 5:08 PM
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If you were starting today with a Remington 700 you intended to use as a long range set up for 600 to 1000 yards, I have some questions I'd love to get ideas on:

1. What factory model would you go with? Is there any factory model that they make that is still half decent?

2. I'm already loaded up with everything for loading precision .308 from the right dies to brass. 6.5 Creedmoor would be a new caliber to load for. Is 6.5 Creed worth it if you actually plan on doing most of your shooting in the 600-1000 yard range?

3. What modifications would you make to the rifle?

4. Are there any bad years or models of Remington that are to be avoided at all costs? Buying used is fine with me.

I'm thinking of going with a 20in .308 XCR compact, putting on an HS Precision Stock, Leupold LR glass in a set of leupold rings and bases. Probably add on a Harris bipod, KRG Bolt knob, and see how it goes. I eventually may have it trued/re-barreled and threaded. Is this a horrid idea?

My other option is to go with a factory Tikka T3X CTR and not mess with it.

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1.no more factory rifles for me, unless if it's a high end one. Like AI or Barret MRAD. Or buy the cheapest 700, shoot it like you stole it (or just replace the bbl). Or just buy a custom 700 footprint action. there are many in the market now. Big Horn Origin is decent price ($825). Control feed, mechanical ejector, pinned and screw rail (20moa only). pinned recoil lug. 2-lug action, tool-free bolt head switch/change.

2. Yes, use 308 to train to learn wind, and 6.5 for distance.

3. Barrel

4. IDK

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I'm pretty darn recoil sensitive and so the choice between .308 and 6.5 Cr is rather simple...the latter is so much more forgiving and comfortable to shoot. It is now readily available commercially as well which helps.

I ended up rebarreling my .308 to a 6.5x47Lapua but a 6.5 Cr would have been a great option as well.

I thought long and hard about building a gun from parts along with the help of a great gunsmith but i like my rifle and so the choice was easy...and it saved me some $. I was so close to picking up a Defiance or a Bighorn or a Terminus but by the time i added up all the costs associated i struggled with the cost.

If i didn't have a rifle platform that i found favorable i might just go for a Tikka T3x Tac A1 and be done with it. While there are a ton of extra modifications available for the Remington 700 platform, for my needs there are enough available for the Tikka. It's on sale now at Eurooptic for $1648 and includes an extra magazine.

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If you calculate how much.
Trigger, bolt knob conversion, bolt lift mod , stock or chassis. Might need a mag conversion. And then not happy with barrel. So you upgrade.

Just start with a nice action and barrel.
Or get the Remington 700 precision.
https://www.turners.com/remington/re...eed-24--657743

But I find the Ruger RPR had everything I need. And I shoot 100 to 600 only. But I got a real good price on the Ruger.
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1) i’d take a serious look at the remington 700 sendero as an entry level rifle
1a) not mentioned in your post, but the importance of good glass can’t be overlooked.
2) i have 2 factory Winchester’s one in 300 WM and the other in 7mm Rem Mag, if remington’s quality is questionable, look at other brands like ruger, winchester, etc
3) re-profile the action to the barrel so that it’s true, bed the stock/add weight
4) don’t know, i think the rifles built after remington was acquired by freedom group

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The question is... how do you shoot now?

The Remington 5R is a great value...

Enjoy 2500 rounds - 7500 rounds of 308 if you need to improve your skill before rebarreling....

What to change.. it all depends on how it shoots with your hand loads....

If you have a 3/8 MOA rifle.... from the factory.... enjoy it



If you can start with an action and stock that you will keep... that is great...




I might also suggest buying a used match gun.... you can always rebarrel as needed....

https://forum.snipershide.com/thread...g-pin.6956763/

https://forum.snipershide.com/thread...-drop.6966700/

https://forum.snipershide.com/thread...duced.6960166/

https://forum.snipershide.com/thread...-2350.6963549/
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Couple months ago I bought a cheap R700 for a long-ish range hunting rig.
After.....

Trigger
Bottom metal
Mags
Threaded barrel
Brake.
HS precision stock
Steiner scope

It ain't cheap no more.

Go with a heavy barrel howa/savage to save on some of the extra's needed for
The 700.

BTW........I did this on purpose, yes I could have bought different but I wanted to "build" my rifle.
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The question is... how do you shoot now?

The Remington 5R is a great value...

Enjoy 2500 rounds - 7500 rounds of 308 if you need to improve your skill before rebarreling....

What to change.. it all depends on how it shoots with your hand loads....

If you have a 3/8 MOA rifle.... from the factory.... enjoy it



If you can start with an action and stock that you will keep... that is great...




I might also suggest buying a used match gun.... you can always rebarrel as needed....

https://forum.snipershide.com/thread...g-pin.6956763/

https://forum.snipershide.com/thread...-drop.6966700/

https://forum.snipershide.com/thread...duced.6960166/

https://forum.snipershide.com/thread...-2350.6963549/
That's an awesome deal on the AX

EuroOptics got a 300wm AX, black 20" for $5000, good deal too. Not sure if it was a demo or showroom or new.
https://www.eurooptic.com/Accuracy-I...-20-black.aspx

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Scopelist has the Tikka CTR and Tac A1 on sale right now.
As for what upgrades on 700: trigger, barrel, stock
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If you were starting today with a Remington 700 you intended to use as a long range set up for 600 to 1000 yards, I have some questions I'd love to get ideas on:

1. What factory model would you go with? Is there any factory model that they make that is still half decent?

2. I'm already loaded up with everything for loading precision .308 from the right dies to brass. 6.5 Creedmoor would be a new caliber to load for. Is 6.5 Creed worth it if you actually plan on doing most of your shooting in the 600-1000 yard range?

3. What modifications would you make to the rifle?

4. Are there any bad years or models of Remington that are to be avoided at all costs? Buying used is fine with me.

I'm thinking of going with a 20in .308 XCR compact, putting on an HS Precision Stock, Leupold LR glass in a set of leupold rings and bases. Probably add on a Harris bipod, KRG Bolt knob, and see how it goes. I eventually may have it trued/re-barreled and threaded. Is this a horrid idea?

My other option is to go with a factory Tikka T3X CTR and not mess with it.

Thanks.
Tikka CTR in 6.5CM, throw a YoDave or Elay Precision $10 spring in the trigger, toss the factory stock and buy a KRG Bravo and buy a Harris or Atlas CAL and call it a day. Plus whatever optic u want to use.
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Remington 700 5r is the best barrel coming off the line according to Randall. Buy one, put on a timney trigger, youll have a nice shooter.
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I'm thinking of going with a 20in .308 XCR compact, putting on an HS Precision Stock, Leupold LR glass in a set of leupold rings and bases. Probably add on a Harris bipod, KRG Bolt knob, and see how it goes. I eventually may have it trued/re-barreled and threaded. Is this a horrid idea?

My other option is to go with a factory Tikka T3X CTR and not mess with it.

Thanks.
Why do you want to handicap yourself with a 20 inch barrel on a cartridge that is already marginal?

How much money are you going to ultimately put into the rifle? If you can gather the money, just get a Masterpiece Arms Production rifle for 2k:

https://masterpiecearms.com/shop/mpa...etition-rifle/

Comes with a custom action, they say Curtis 3 lug, which sounds a lot like an Axiom(Remington pattern). Good chassis, good barrel, Trigger Tech trigger, AICS magazine compatible.

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1) The 5R, or xcr. They still make good rifles, most people that don't like them hop on the second hand information bandwagon, or compare a 450 dollar adl to a 1500 dollar bergara.

2) It is worth getting a 6.5 creedmoor, its not worth getting a 6.5x47 or some other 6.5 variant.

3) Depends on your goal. Are you competing in matches where x-counts matter? If not shoot your gun until you find out what you want, trigger, barrel, scope, whatever.

4) No. The new ones made on cnc machines are straighter than old ones, but for whatever reason people think the old ones are better.

I started with a 308, and 6.5 is just easier and has less recoil. I didn't walk uphill to school, both ways in the snow, so you can call me a recoil wimp if you want but it is way more comfortable to shoot.

My two custom 6.5 cm setups
700 action, pac nor barrel, jewell trigger, mcmillan stock, 20 moa base, muzzle brake, harris bipod.

700 action, pac nor barrel, jewell rigger, grayboe stock, hinged floorplate, harris bipod, swfa scope.
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Gen 1 milspec 5r. Mine was $650 after a rebate. Shoots lights out! AR15BARRELS recommends them highly. Sticking with .308 since you have the supplies is great. Save money and get range time in.
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Learning correct breathing and trigger pull will pay you the most dividends, plus reloading helps. Buy the least expensive Remington 700 Police style and shoot, shoot, shoot. Shoot at 1” dots at 100 yards, date and save your targets - note the Ammo or Loads used.

The other stuff is just cool looking window dressing. Once you are 1 MOA proficient or better you can start to trick out your Fire Stick.

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I picked up a Tikka T3 for $425
I put an Elay trigger spring $10
KRG Bravo $350
Athlon Ares BTR $365
Still has the .243 barrel on it, but thinking about getting a shorty 6.5 CM barrel just waiting for the right price. I’ve hit targets at 670 with it. Shooting factory Federal loaded with Accubond bullets.
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Bought a Remington 700 308 SSF 26” barrel basic gun, plastic stock, Rem trigger. Paid $650.
Upgrades
trigger to a Timney $140
Stock to Bell Carlson M-24. $165
Basic 20 MOA base with Leupold rings. $150

Load my own from the manual
Basic brass
Hornady 178 VMax
Sierra 168 BT green.
Varget powder.

Has had various glass

Shoots sub MOA all day.
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Learn the gun
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Id get either a 6.5 or 308 700 5R. Decent scope and trigger and youre all set.
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This is the course I took. Instead of buying a factory rifle, disassembling it, having the action trued, and having parts lay around that are not going to be used, I built my rifle by selecting one part or component at a time.

I used a Stiller Predator action with a Pacific Tool and Gauge 20 MOA Picatinney rail, Krieger barrel, Jewell trigger, McMillan Ultralight Hunters Edge Stock. Krieger installed their barrel to the receiver, and McMillan bedded their stock to the action. The process was lengthy, fun and unfortunately expensive, but it was worth it, and I now have the ultimate walking varmint rifle.
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If you were starting today with a Remington 700 you intended to use as a long range set up for 600 to 1000 yards, I have some questions I'd love to get ideas on:

1. What factory model would you go with? Is there any factory model that they make that is still half decent?

2. I'm already loaded up with everything for loading precision .308 from the right dies to brass. 6.5 Creedmoor would be a new caliber to load for. Is 6.5 Creed worth it if you actually plan on doing most of your shooting in the 600-1000 yard range?

3. What modifications would you make to the rifle?

4. Are there any bad years or models of Remington that are to be avoided at all costs? Buying used is fine with me.

I'm thinking of going with a 20in .308 XCR compact, putting on an HS Precision Stock, Leupold LR glass in a set of leupold rings and bases. Probably add on a Harris bipod, KRG Bolt knob, and see how it goes. I eventually may have it trued/re-barreled and threaded. Is this a horrid idea?

My other option is to go with a factory Tikka T3X CTR and not mess with it.

Thanks.
A 20" barrel 308 is going to make 600-1000yds much more difficult unless you can put up a roof and walls over the range to eliminate wind.
You definitely would want a 24-26" barrel.
The bad years of remington 700s are the pre-2000's ones.
The current ones are the straightest/squarest ones they have made.
I recommend the Remington 29663.
It has the best barrel of any non-custom Remington 700.
It comes in an HS stock from Remington.
After you have an appropriate barrel and stock, the next most important upgrade is a good trigger.

The Tikka T3X CTR will immediately need a barrel replacement to be used as a 600-1000yd rifle if you are looking at the 20" barrel models.
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Just saw where they are releasing a "WhiteTail" edition 700. May have some already great features you want to start off with.
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A 20" barrel 308 is going to make 600-1000yds much more difficult.

I recommend the Remington 29663.

the next most important upgrade is a good trigger.
This parallels what we are seeing with our NRA midrange (600yd) and long-range (1K) matches at Camp Pendleton. The novice competitor with an "out of the box" 5R in 308 is able to effectively shoot decent scores.
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...The current ones are the straightest/squarest ones they have made....

By far. They are usually less than .0005" run-out at the ring face. Nothing like the old ones, or a pre 64 M70.


Did run into an issue with a late one recently. The bolt handle mortise had a step left in it and would not allow a very nice fitting PTG bolt to close all the way. Every other 700 I had in the shop at that time had a square cut in that area.











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Great info here guys. Thank you.

I found a like new 700 XCR Compact Tactical in an HS Precision stock plus a Timney trigger...for less than 1k for the package...so my wallet just about broke the sound barrier jumping from my pants.

It's a 20in .308, but at that price I couldn't resist. It looks like a rebarrel is in my future but only after I shoot the barrel out. Doing the touchdown dance now.

What glass in the sub $1k range will be best? I am currently looking at a Vortex Viper PST Gen 2. Thoughts there? Also, looks like 175gr is the best load for distance in the 1:12 twist?

Now I just need to find a place in CA that I can learn to shoot it. What match is good for newcomers to long range precision rifles in NorCal?

Thanks again. Love you guys.
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Great info here guys. Thank you.

I found a like new 700 XCR Compact Tactical in an HS Precision stock plus a Timney trigger...for less than 1k for the package...so my wallet just about broke the sound barrier jumping from my pants.

It's a 20in .308, but at that price I couldn't resist. It looks like a rebarrel is in my future but only after I shoot the barrel out. Doing the touchdown dance now.

What glass in the sub $1k range will be best? I am currently looking at a Vortex Viper PST Gen 2. Thoughts there? Also, looks like 175gr is the best load for distance in the 1:12 twist?

Now I just need to find a place in CA that I can learn to shoot it. What match is good for newcomers to long range precision rifles in NorCal?

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Great info here guys. Thank you.

I found a like new 700 XCR Compact Tactical in an HS Precision stock plus a Timney trigger...for less than 1k for the package...so my wallet just about broke the sound barrier jumping from my pants.

It's a 20in .308, but at that price I couldn't resist. It looks like a rebarrel is in my future but only after I shoot the barrel out. Doing the touchdown dance now.

What glass in the sub $1k range will be best? I am currently looking at a Vortex Viper PST Gen 2. Thoughts there? Also, looks like 175gr is the best load for distance in the 1:12 twist?

Now I just need to find a place in CA that I can learn to shoot it. What match is good for newcomers to long range precision rifles in NorCal?

Thanks again. Love you guys.
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I am currently looking at a Vortex Viper PST Gen 2. Thoughts there? Also, looks like 175gr is the best load for distance in the 1:12 twist?

Now I just need to find a place in CA that I can learn to shoot it. What match is good for newcomers to long range precision rifles in NorCal?
Sacramento Valley Shooting Center has NRA F-class matches, and puts on an "Intro to Long Range Shooting" class each year.
https://www.sacvalley.org/clubs/high-power-rifle-match/
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Did run into an issue with a late one recently. The bolt handle mortise had a step left in it and would not allow a very nice fitting PTG bolt to close all the way. Every other 700 I had in the shop at that time had a square cut in that area.
I have run into a bunch of those.
I usually just clearance bolt handle root because its easier than the nicer way you fixed it.
It's really a shame that the little bar code did not survive the machining.
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It's really a shame that the little bar code did not survive the machining.

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Bar code still there in the radius cut. The last pic with the wood stock is an early PSS 24" 308 receiver for comparison. Just cut the hump out. I could have set the lugs back too.

Factory bolts pass the close test. I wanted to retain all the primary extraction inherent in this bolt/receiver combination.
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Old 11-09-2019, 2:16 PM
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The last pic with the wood stock is an early PSS 24" 308 receiver for comparison.
I thought it was the one you cut the hump out of after refinishing...
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Old 11-09-2019, 2:51 PM
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I thought it was the one you cut the hump out of after refinishing...

Nah. The lumpy one is on the brown truck on its way back to it's owner. The parked one in the wood stock is a very early PSS that has been converted to my High power Hunter silhouette rifle in 6mm International. The original 24" 308 factory tube NEVER shot well, even after rechambering with a match reamer.
The OP is well advised to listen to you guys and get the 5R and shoot it as-is and wear it out. Then he will know more about what to change.
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Old 11-09-2019, 3:25 PM
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Great info here guys. Thank you.

I found a like new 700 XCR Compact Tactical in an HS Precision stock plus a Timney trigger...for less than 1k for the package...so my wallet just about broke the sound barrier jumping from my pants.

It's a 20in .308, but at that price I couldn't resist. It looks like a rebarrel is in my future but only after I shoot the barrel out. Doing the touchdown dance now.

What glass in the sub $1k range will be best? I am currently looking at a Vortex Viper PST Gen 2. Thoughts there? Also, looks like 175gr is the best load for distance in the 1:12 twist?

Now I just need to find a place in CA that I can learn to shoot it. What match is good for newcomers to long range precision rifles in NorCal?

Thanks again. Love you guys.
That's like a police sniper rifle, where they don't shoot any further than 100 yards. You want a 1000 yard rifle. It's like a hammer and a table saw, both good tools, but used for different jobs.
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does your rifle NEED to be 308?
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Old 11-09-2019, 5:38 PM
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This parallels what we are seeing with our NRA midrange (600yd) and long-range (1K) matches at Camp Pendleton. The novice competitor with an "out of the box" 5R in 308 is able to effectively shoot decent scores.

This is true.

I wanted to dip my toe in mid to long range, so with Randalls advice i grabbed a 700 5r 24” in .308 from a calgunner, NIB.

I put on a 20moa rail, a Bushnell HDMR2 scope, had Randall put on a takticool bolt handle and brake, and dropped it in a Grayboe ridgeback stock. I put on a harris, and called it done.

I shot mine at a 600 yard f class, way up at “burbank” rifle and revolver club, although its up near Magic Mountain.

I had sighted it in at 100, loaded my first try at an accurate recipe, and had never shot this rifle at paper beyond 100y.

I used a phone app and was in the black on my first sighters at 600.

Despite the wind, I shot 177 2x, 177 2x, and 176 1x.

I am hooked but with a daughter that just started college, i havent been able to get to a smmc match since last winter.

It is WAY more accurate than i am.


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Sac valley is good for some things, but practicing is not one of them. They may be helpful for those trying to start out, but not for those that want to practice. You will have to jump through hoops to be able to use the range for anything longer than the 300 yard public range, and getting practice time on a range longer than 300 without someone breathing down your neck will be almost impossible. Ranges 3 and 4 are great overall, but anything further than 300 is a huge pain.
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Old 11-10-2019, 7:13 AM
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I found a like new 700 XCR Compact Tactical in an HS Precision stock

Vortex Viper PST Gen 2. Thoughts there?
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That's like a police sniper rifle, where they don't shoot any further than 100 yards.
The Vortex PST is a good scope and can be found 2nd-hand for well under $700. I agree that the XCR is a bit short, but will work fine at NRA Midrange distances (600yds). It very well may shoot accurately enough at 1K for F-class, but you won't know until you get there.

It'll be on the edge of maintaining bullet stability. Good enough for steel plates though.
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Old 11-10-2019, 7:39 AM
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The Vortex PST is a good scope and can be found 2nd-hand for well under $700. I agree that the XCR is a bit short, but will work fine at NRA Midrange distances (600yds). It very well may shoot accurately enough at 1K for F-class, but you won't know until you get there.

It'll be on the edge of maintaining bullet stability. Good enough for steel plates though.
Maybe the price was too good to be true. I figured at $675, I bought the stock and the trigger and got a barreled action for free. I have a Harris bipod and Leupold Vari-X III Tactical 4.5-14x50 that I can use for now, too. I guess the 20in is more of a problem than I thought, but lesson learned.

Eventually, I'll probably have someone put on a threaded 24in Bartlein. I might bed the stock. At least now I have my foot in the door.

I'm going to try and make it out to Sac Valley for some 600 yard stuff. Reno has a nice range with steel out to 987 yards that I'll visit, too.

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My son an I bought a Remington 700 Long Range in 30-06 a few years ago. Getting it to be accurate has been a challenge. Used several different factory ammo including match and couldn't get better than 1.5 to 3 MOA. Replace trigger with Timney. That helped a little, but seemed like there was a delay between pulling trigger and firing. Took bolt apart, cleaned out gunk, new lube and heavier spring. Helped a little but still not great. Went to reloading bench and loaded many different recipes. That helped a little. Then found the chamber is a little long. So this thing like a heavy bullet (208 to 220 gr) and likes to be loaded long at something like +0.01. Still working on velocity, but middle of the road seems to work. My son then put 4 holes touching. I think the rifle is capable, but a lot of work and disappointing out of the box.
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Get a used Nightforce 12-42X56 but not for a precision rifle.
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