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What is your line in the Sand
I have to admit that for years I have not been keeping my eye on the ball and have been sort of complacent when it came to California Gun Laws. Not making excuses but most of my life up until 3 yrs ago I live in Southern California and mostly just figured it was a lost cause and became submissive.
This all change when I moved out of SoCal and up to Northern California. My attitude changed as soon as I realized up here people think different and really don't like being controlled by the population masses along the coast. In fact there is a big push to just get out of California all together and form the 51st State Of Jefferson. I am all in for this and will do all I can to promote it. I know its not going to be easy if at all possible but its the beginning of my line in the sand. The State of California needs to be split up and so does the 9th Circuit Court. I feel fortunate to now live in a County or part of California that is Gun friendly. I recently applied for a CCW and have already received a letter of acceptance for good cause and am just waiting to finish up the process. I also am applying for a CCW in Az to give me reciprocity to Nevada where I often travel now. I am doing these things to in my small way voice and exorcise my 2nd amendment rights. I know many will say just move our of California and give up but this is my home. I have family here and I choose to stand and fight. So Whats your line in the Sand? Last edited by wannabefree; 01-10-2018 at 11:26 AM.. |
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We still have a house near Half Moon Bay, but don't spend a lot of time there.
When we moved, our "line in the sand" was simply a better place to raise a family, FAR fewer laws relating to guns was down the list a bit. I registered a single "assault" weapon and left a bunch unregistered in 2001 and had no regrets...used them a lot and was never questioned about registered or now. I ignored a letter re: a couple of sks rifles...no return-receipt-requested so afaic I never got the letter...nothing happened. IMO registration is simply your California legislators making "a list and checking it twice" for confiscation at a later time. I still have siblings and their families in CA, but I can drive there in less than half a day or fly in an hour.
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"Not registering" is great...as long as nothing ever leaves the blackness of the gun safe. It's a little more problematic if you actually shoot them.
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I probably wouldn't shout out about it on a public forum.
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I came from Az in 2010 to take over a property in the mountains. Redwoods, 5000ft elevation, nice acreage, smoking deal on outright purchase.
Being a collector of machine guns ( class III ) and suppressed weapons I figured I would forgo this hobby for a while and move to California. Sold all my stuff and brought the family to the mountains. Bullet buttons are a joke but I too live in a RED area where not too many people even had those on their weapons anyway but it wasn't that big of a deal for me. I still could order ammo. I then bought in to a local gunstore and started working there on the weekends so I got good prices on weapons. No deal breaker yet. Life was good. My cabin and land has doubled in price, both my businesses have taken off. Then I started really interacting with the people, predominantly liberals in this state and I wasn't used to that. I dont mind differing opinions but the complete lack of tolerance towards Christian/Gun owners is stunning. Wife and I pulled my kids out of school to homeschool them. Public education in California is mostly indoctrination and liberal talking points. No love lost they are flourishing. No big deal. We then left our church where I was a worship leader when they started openly promoting Hillary and anti gun rhetoric. Found a new church. Found a better church that is more like minded. Not a big deal. Then the new laws came into effect. I figured ya know what? Ill go featureless and ignore this idiocy. I reload, and Ive stockpiled close to 60,000 rounds of my different calibers over the years so Im good. Not a big deal. Then I started seeing the amount of California gun owners who would come into the store, and on calguns who basically lined up to register their guns. They bragged about it. Made post after post about it. They berated anyone who said they would not register or tried to fight the rules. They counted down the days till registration opened to make sure they were the first to do it. There are many hundreds of thousands who decided to not even see if there would be an injunction on these laws and held off to closer to the deadline. The mentality of people in this state is unlike any other place I have seen in America (having lived and been a part of the gun culture in 3 other states ) Ive pretty much come to the common belief that many gun owners here truly dont deserve the right to own guns. Complete entitlement, egocentric idiocy. The amount of good people Ive come into contact with personally and on the internet in the Cal gun world is a miniscule fraction of the interactions Ive had. So for me, the people are my line in the sand. When I realized that no matter what politicians are put in place, the people in this state sadly are too far gone to understand what it means to be American. You guys are your own country for sure. When I go home to Texas or Arizona for business or vacations they speak my language. The language of America. Of freedom. So I packed my weapons and sent them home to Az. And Im now in the last stages of preparing my house for sale here and looking in Northern Montana at acreage to purchase. Its horrible to say but I will enjoy watching this place collapse from a distance on the internet. I feel really sorry for those of you gun owners who are the small percentage of people in this state that consider themselves Americans. Its not a uphill battle anymore, you've been surrounded, outnumbered and are being picked off for fun. Last edited by Guns and guitars; 01-10-2018 at 12:02 PM.. |
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Damn! Great post! Could not agree more. I’m right behind you as soon as I can manage it. My line in the sand is registering previously legal semi-auto rifles, a ban on LCM’s, not being able to buy any handgun that isn’t on Kamala’s outdated by decades list, and not being able to mail order ammo.
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This hasn't happened over night of course. This has been happening for 30+ years if not longer. People from other states and countries came here and brought there crap here. Now there is no empirical data saying that people from other countries come here to change our nation or state for example. but it did happen. They didn't come here to assimilate nor did the liberal invasion that came here. They came here to change it. Here we are 30 years later too many laws, too many regulations, highest taxes in the country and gun control that a Communist would love. This state is done, finished, cooked and over with. Newsom will put the final death nail in gun rights here. As for my line in the sand that past years ago. Family has kept me here. That changed last year for me grandmother passed at 99 years old. Don't be sad I'm not. I'm proud and lucky to have had my grandmother until I was 46. I'm looking to Texas or Oklahoma. I'll probably keep my house to rent for some extra income when I'm ready to sell I will and pay off my house in the other state. I won't say don't fight but the hearings yesterday are what they usually are. they just jerk us off because they have to. They have already voted in their minds to defeat and not pass it. Any gun control bill is passed automatically. Face the facts guys it's going to get 1000x worse than last year. We haven't seen what they are going to ram up our butts yet but it's coming.
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this is why people in other states don't want us moving to their state. This is what happened to Colorado I saw something on TV years ago that Democrats moved their to change it on purpose. the same could be said for our state. there are also many who move to not change the new home state but to be part of it. to make a better life for themselves.
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That's the problem. Take your schadenfreude and stick it. You don't get to decide who's American.
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What the hell are you talking about? . I’d enjoy seeing it collapse from a distance as well. I’d love nothing better than to see the whole rotting new-age liberal statist structure collapse under its own corrupt weight, with millions of Government teat parasites going down with it. And as a pro-freedom gun owner I consider myself one of the percentage of true Americans in California. It was clear to me what Guns and guitars meant by that comment, but you can consider yourself whatever you want of course. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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If you've got feathers, and quack your most likely are a duck. I understand where your coming from with the californication so strong and all. But I dont see three genders, nor do I have the patience for people to decide they are whatever they want to be when their actions, or more so lack of actions against the tenants and laws of a country are still intact everywhere but here. Americans support the constitution, not in violent overthrows or rhetorical dissent, but in the freedoms that were put in place for all of us. If you feel that these freedoms have been usurped then I would suggest not anger, but voting with your feet. |
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California is a lost cause, demographic changes are too great to overcome. We voted with our feet and gave our middle finger to Kalifornia. And pray it goes the way of Venezuela I just hope I am alive to see that happen
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Nv is my new home and I can't understand why anyone who lives in Cali would stay. I didn't move for gun laws, I moved for Freedom
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^^^^^Very well said Guitar.
It is amazing to me how so many gun owners here in Cali are what I call "registration/compliance/regulatory enthusiasts". They continue to belittle and chastise some who raise the prospect that what the state is doing is not only unconstitutional, but morally wrong as well, and that they must lie down and take it. |
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Could not agree more. Guys clamoring and climbing over each other to get their guns on the pre-confiscation list. I’ll pour lead into the receiver of my “assault weapon” and use it as a paperweight before registering it with the pre-confiscation agency in Sacramento. For now unscrewing a Vortex flash hider is enough, but I guarantee you there will come a time, and soon, when that won’t be enough. To mix my parables, we’re throwing rights off the sled one at a time hoping to appease the wolves, and they’re never going to be satisfied with anything less than unilateral victim disarmament. There’ll be another line then of guys clamoring to turn in their legal arms (an illegal taking with no or forced compensation at rates set by the State) to appease their masters and “stay safe.” There’s a name for a society where only the police and military have guns, it’s called a “Police State,” and I won’t live in one.
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I'm in San Bernardino, at the Mall, CCW-ing my .40 Shield, and wearing my CA. "will not comply" AR-15 shirt. I'm not registering jack ****. I will be moving to either Gardnerville NV. or Idaho soon. OP is correct. The number of true Americans like us in CA. is so miniscule that we will never be able to change it back to what it was. It should just break off from the U.S. and be it's own socialist welfare country full of any immigrants who want to come over.
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However back on topic, my line in the sand was when they banned CCW from Schools. At that time I was on school property almost every day and my EDC never once jumped out of my holster and started shooting people. That was the day I told my wife "Were moving out of California 5 years from today." She asked "How we going to do that?" And I responded " I don't know, we got 5 years to make it happen." That was the night we started planning. We have property, a business, Kids and family in California but day by day the plan got clearer. Now the plan is about 90% complete and we are right on track. The impossible becomes possible the day you draw that line.
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Anyway, my line in the sand is simple: When the cons of raising my family here outweigh the pros. As of now, they do not -- and it's not for a lack of looking. The wife and I have been traveling quite a bit looking at places here and places there attempting to find something that is overall better for our family. Not better in one area or another, just overall. Right now, we haven't found it. In terms of 2A, sure, just about everywhere beats California, but with children and careers there is more to weigh than simply what guns I can or can't own or buy. The biggest issue we're having is the state of the schools, our ability to afford private school when the time comes, and the messed up mindset that these altruistic, entitled people have in this state. It's like a disease. I have a feeling that will be what is finally the "tipping" point, not any gun law. Last edited by 9M62; 01-13-2018 at 9:38 AM.. |
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Where have you traveled? I’m sure a lot depends on careers and such. But I gotta be honest. If you’re both on board than either you haven’t looked very far and wide or much or the truth is you don’t really want to. You’re finding reasons why you can’t or wouldn’t. Which is fine. Three weeks of driving last summer I found many places I could move to. I just don’t have everyone on board. If I did we’d already be on our way out. And if you read what I write earlier, there’s waaaay more than guns to it. In fact they’re a small part.
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In terms of where? All over brotha, all over. East coast, north, west coast, parts of the south, a few places in Europe and most of the U.K. Career-wise we'd rather not "move" just yet, but we like to have our options on hand in case the time comes.. we don't want to be unprepared. So we travel for pleasure and when doing so we take note and evaluate if it's somewhere we could live and workout a "pros-cons" list. We have a few mandatory requirements that eliminate some areas, like Idaho and Arizona to be quite honest... and other than that, we're open minded to doing what's best for our family. As you said, guns are a very very small part of the decision. |
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Was your issue with Idaho related to "4-seasons" weather, the political climate up here, or something else? PM OK if you'd prefer not to post here.
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Recognizing where you are and applying a practical solution. You wouldn't keep a car that is broken and can't be fixed, would you? Getting rid of something that isn't worth the cost of fixing is what smart people do.
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I vote for my Sig line. That was the slogan of the old Paul Revere network back in the early 90’s, and it’s still true today.
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My line has been crossed, gun laws were just the straw that broke the camel's back.
1) I'm taxed at 50% of my income. Pensions, union dues, and a whole boatload of other stuff is deducted from my pay with no say in the matter. 2) I have no political representation in this state. Supposedly, I have white male privilege, but I've never seen this. Ive had to bust balls to go to Stanford and find a good job. 3) Real estate prices me out. I'm six years out of school with no debt and am struggling to buy a home of my own. I've spent the last year saving half of my take home pay to build a down payment. The only way I've managed this is by living for free at my parents vacation home in the middle of nowhere 2hrs commute from work. 4) Traffic is atrocious and getting worse in metropolitan areas. Public transit sucks but it's cheap even if it takes just as long as driving. 5) public spending is unsustainable and I do not see long term viability of pensions. I've already started to see that politicians promise everything, but don't hesitate to back out on ccontracts and promises when they become unsustainable. 6) The state gives to many medical and other privileges to non citizens, but requires citizenship to receive any benefits at at if you're already a citizen. That's tragically ironic. (This doesn't affect me personally, but it's disheartening to see a immigrant, unemployed non-citizen mother get 100% covered health care, while hard working citizens have to pay for insurance at high rates that only partially covers services.) I worked at a dental office in college, I saw this every day. 7) I've learned to keep opinions to myself and talk about guns never because people do not like conservatives and will go out of their way to ostracize you. 8) The state goes out of it's way to flaunt and defy federal law and seems to get away with it with impunity. Want federally banned substances? No problem! But if you want guns, they'll make a felon out of you. 9) Everything is too damn expensive. Food, utilities, entertainment, going out. Its super expensive here! 10) Even if the state were not as oppressive as it is, the 9th circuit is stacked against us and shoots us down. Plus, scotus doesn't take our cases! 11) The state uses the justice department to punish political opponents while loosening up sentences and early release for real criminals. 12) Gun ownership is too onerous. They're exprensive and hard to buy here without taking tests and paying fees for permits that expire in 5 years. Ammo just became a new nightmare. There are few places to shoot, and fewer every year. The state is constantly trying to make you a felon. The state doesn't notify owners of new laws, nor do they answer questions about the laws they pass. They also want to take away your rights if you're ever accused of a crime. 13) I hate the smell of weed everywhere I go! I have a three year plan and I'm out. I refuse to live like this.
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If this state wasn't so hostile to working class dudes like me I would do it here but the Democrats have made it clear that they want illegals to be the 1st class citizens and the Republicans are a bunch of pussies who spend more time whining about Trump than attacking the other side. I'm pretty much out. Quote:
If you are one of the super-privileged who work for Google or the State making tons of money, with good healthcare etc then Cali is great. It's great for illegal aliens too. Don't get deported, free health care, free college etc etc. For everyone else Cali is ****. Last edited by Hoop; 01-15-2018 at 10:16 AM.. |
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For me, the line was Gunmageddon and the failure of the people to stand up against tyranny. The apathy was so bad I realized there aren't even any sheep left. Those who were sheep have already been slaughtered and packaged for sale as chops, legs, and mutton. And they don't even know it. Or care.
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Solidsnake87, I get your frustration. While reading your post, I couldn't help but chuckle at a few items.
First, I am assuming you are a white, upper-middle class male. You are six years out of Stanford, debt free. Living in mommy and daddy's vacation villa for free, all while making more than $416,700 in taxable income. Welcome to what most people would call "White Privilege". What is your minimum standard for a home? You have been saving half of your take-home pay (at least $17,362/month) for 18 months ($312,525). Even at 20% down, you could afford a $1.5M home! I don't think you will get much sympathy on items 1-3. The others are valid though. Quote:
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My best advice for you...Sugar Momma! Then become a DINK, life is good. Dual Income No Kids Last edited by ladiver; 01-15-2018 at 7:40 PM.. |
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As a side note I would never move back to SoCal or any big City. Were I live now is extremely Rural Farm Land and accept for the fact that it is part of California you would hardly know it talking to locals and listening to there politics. Most of my family have lived here for decades and I want to be close to them. If I was to move it would likely be Northern Nevada but it is becoming Californicated too. |
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