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Old 04-23-2010, 9:50 AM
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I applied to bring my machine gun and silencers into the state along with my non OLL's. Got my applications back, and check back, with a letter from the DOJ stating that they did not do it anymore.

I contacted them and had a 3 way phone call with the permit and legal dept, citing the CA codes from the DOJ website that stated a person moving into the state can bring in weapons and register them even after the registration period. The permit lady told me "we just dont do it anymore", while the legal guy said yes you can based on the written laws.

I asked for an updated memo, amendment etc. that would counter and they could not provide. Only if I was Law enforcement or Active Duty military stationed here.

So, unless you have a crap load of money and a string of lawyers on retainers you are not going to get a MG permit in CA.
How long ago was this?

The Legal guy says yes you can but the bureaucrat says no?

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What's happening is Republican campaign consultants are beginning their work. Many of these guys come from out of state and have no idea of history or context, and their job is just to dump cr*p. Many of them are younger than I am, and since I lived thru JB's governance I can kinda run reality against what they're saying - and they're found wanting in the truth dept.

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I appreciate that Jerry Brown joined 34 California District Attorneys in writing a friend of the court brief supporting incorporation of the second amendment to the states. However, how far does he think that extends? In other words, are we limited, as the antigunners would have us believe, to the interior of our homes? Or, does he think that the second amendment extends beyond our front doors? That's the real question.

To date, I've heard a lot of politicians claim support for the second amendment, but they put a twist here, and a caveat there, and completely distort the original intent. We know what the framers of the Constitution meant, but even the Supreme court chose to limit their interpretation to the most minimum meaning, which still gives antigun politicians a wide latitude to continue to create more restrictive gun laws.

I'm all for backing a politician who is willing to limit government control over me, but I really think that we can't take the word of any politician without comparing their past track record to what they're putting out for public consumption. The old saying, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me", comes to mind.
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I wonder why, considering that CA's 'waiting period' on handgun purchases -- the first ever in the nation -- was signed by Governor Jerry Brown.

Also, the CalGuns Foundation as a fully qualified 501(c)(3) tax deductible organization should not be taking such positions.
There was a waiting period in California long before Brown was in office.
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Also, the CalGuns Foundation as a fully qualified 501(c)(3) tax
deductible organization should not be taking such positions.
CGF indeed cannot take a position on a candidate, and cannot use funds to support or attack one (mailers, ads, etc.)

Nevertheless, individual CGF board members do not give up their individual rights of free speech or political advocacy and can speak for themselves.

Other 501(c)(3) orgs work the same way: the org "educates" but their staff may be separately politically active. Our opponents work the same way, and many other groups do too. Attacking us would be an attack on LCAV, Greenpeace, etc.

In fact, CGF is suing the Attorney General on various ongoing matters.

However, schizoid cognitive dissonance is useful to my mental health
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Brown:
Demoted Division of Firearms to a Bureau
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Refocused BOF on the armed prohibited file
Ask SCOTUS to grant McDonald and apply the 2A to the States (confirmed that he personally wrote it from none other than Don Kates and if you don't know who he is then you need to read up on gun rights.)

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Poizner gets my primary vote and support, but he hasn't a chance in hell. If he somehow wins the primary he has my vote in the general.

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Do you have another comparison Brown vs. Poizner???
I need more data on Poizner and can get it but want to wait for the primary to end first. Right now I think he's a mild long shot against Whitman.

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Another valid concern, with Browns past you can't look at him as a one issue guy. People must look at the whole package.

I am looking at the whole Whitman package ...and I see a RINO
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I don't think Poizner is going to make it pass the primary. It's going to be Whitman vs Brown. It's going to be a tough choice. I might just leave it blank and vote for neither.
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I'm not attacking Gene or Bill, but to simply agree with them, because "they're the right people" without first researching something and formulating your own opinion is foolish. That's how we get into the holes we're in, by just taking someone elses word or opinion as gospel.

With that said, I do agree with them about Jerry Brown.

Alas my vote will either be for Chelene Nightingale or Jerry Brown.
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I am looking at the whole Whitman package ...and I see a RINO
RINO would be an upgrade to that iron poodle. Shes a effing liberal in the ugliest sense except two issues.
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I would rather have my left testicle chewed off (lost the right one as a kid...) by a rabid taco bell dog then vote for moonbeam.
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I would rather have my left testicle chewed off (lost the right one as a kid...) by a rabid taco bell dog then vote for moonbeam.
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Apparently you would also rather have CGF spend tons of money retrieving your lost gun rights than vote for Moonbeam too.

Nope, PCS'ing out of this state as soon as the DON says I can. And I am a NAtive San Diegan, but I have had enough. I am Florida bound as soon as this shore tour is up...
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I'll never vote for Brown. He helped push the state down the steep slope it is now on. I wouldn't vote for Whitman either, but if that's what I have to do to keep Brown out, I will.

Jerry Brown will burn down what remains of the state and then dump it on the ash-heap of history. We can't continue down this road of irresponsible spending. It's simply not sustainable.

If Brown wins, he will be the top Democrat of the state. Most of his fellow Dems in the state legislature are anti-2A and I believe they will put pressure on Brown and he will (all too willingly) bend. Once in, he will have nothing more to lose and will cash-in the last of his political capital.
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If you're not voting why are you even opining?

Brown has a track record of not bowing to Dem pressure on guns.

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Open primaries might actually get some electable Republicans into the legislature.
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California's screwed no matter what, so vote for Jerry Brown. Least we'll have our guns.
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You mean bend over like Arnold?

Here's what I know will happen ...If Whitman wins, she will be the top Democrat of the state. Most of her fellow Dems in the state legislature are anti-2A and I believe they will put pressure on Whitman and she will (all too willingly) bend. Once in, she will have nothing more to lose and will cash-in the last of her political capital ...& run for president.
Sorry,,, Anyone who runs for the Ca Gov position at this time in it's history is openly demonstrating just how (1) desperate they are, or (2) Politically inept they are. Being a Ca governor at this time in history has got to be one of the biggest dents to your career you can have. Supposed noble intents or not, I would not sit behind the Governor's desk at this point unless I had a solid plan to rape the state of everything I could because I view the political trip and a one-way excursion. And not a good one either. President after governor? I think not!
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I am tired of choosing the compromise candidate that is OK guns but pro choice or pro life. I will be voting for Jerry Brown for one simple reason:

I would never own an OLL if Bill Lockyer was still Attorney General. That guy ran a Firearms Department with Brady spies in-bedded. Under Brown, that is all gone, and I have two OLLs and plan to buy a third.

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Whitman does not threaten anyone's gun rights.

Calif is a liberal state....that is why we are over our heads in debt and in fear of our 2A rights. Gerry Brown is a liberal dem that signed a brief that had ZERO effect except it gives cover to people who support ACORN, SEIU, ACLU, and all of the other dangerously stupid liberal ideas and policies. Brown voters are liberals and their protestations based on an amicus brief are not credible.
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How are your gun sales on eBay doing? How are you enjoying paying for your gunbroker purchases with PayPal, or your CGF donations?

If you don't understand this there is little hope.
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How are your gun sales on eBay doing? How are you enjoying paying for your gunbroker purchases with PayPal, or your CGF donations?

If you don't understand this there is little hope.
Selling guns on ebay would be stupid. You know that. If that is all you have you are probably a lib. Hey, you're home, admit it and celebrate. You have us pro-constitution people out numbered.

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Selling guns on ebay would be stupid. You know that. If that is all you have you are probably a lib. Hey, you're home, admit it and celebrate. You have us pro-constitution people out numbered.
OK, if you want to ignore EBay, how about her campaign staff members who are saying off the record that her private position is that no private citizen should own any kind of firearm?

That not good enough for you either?

Boy, have I some ocean front property in Nevada to sell you.
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OK, if you want to ignore EBay, how about her campaign staff members who are saying off the record that her private position is that no private citizen should own any kind of firearm?

That not good enough for you either?

Boy, have I some ocean front property in Nevada to sell you.
So......you own some ocean front property in Nevada? Shocking.

Got any proof of the staff rumors? Oh wait, they're rumors. I think you believe that because you want it to be true so that you can try to convince people to vote for moonbeam, a left wing radical liberal democrat. You and he hide behind a brief that changed nothing. Didn't cost him a thing. Just a lib trying to stay on both sides of an issue. The libs are after your guns not conservatives. It is the same all over the country. Do you think the Brady bunch folks ever vote conservative? Are any openly anti gun people conservative? Any? Are you getting my point? I know you want to vote for a liberal, you're a Californian.

Whitman is not taking away your rights. I don't want to ignore ebay, I want you to admit what a stupid argument that is. Selling guns on ebay would have made Whitman an idiot. Just try to imagine what that would be like. If I ran ebay I would not allow it.
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Whitman is not taking away your rights. I don't want to ignore ebay, I want you to admit what a stupid argument that is. Selling guns on ebay would have made Whitman an idiot. Just try to imagine what that would be like. If I ran ebay I would not allow it.
Whitman will likely vote for any soccer-mom-appealing antigun legislation tha runs thru.

Selling guns on EBay was never the question: many EBay auctions selling trivial gun parts and even holsters get held up or cancelled. People have to cover their Paypal transactions with phony descriptions for "machine parts" because "AR15 scope mount" kills the deal.

If Meg Whitman weren't antigun, Ben Cannon wouldn't have had to start GunPal.

Meg's campaign staff fraudulently tried to use NRA paraphernalia (caps with big logos, etc.) to try to create an inference of an NRA endorsement. She's an antigun POS.

Meg doesn't own guns.

Brown does.

With a variety of indicators - not just the amicus brief for Chicago, but stopping an antigun brief from coming out in Heller - and restaffing DOJ BoF with nonpolitical folks who can discuss issues rationally without bringing Bradyite influence - several of us here believe Brown is much better on the issue. He's not a gunnie, but he understands what a right is and I believe he understands a lotta gun laws are BS.

You're letting your other biases get in the way of gunrights thought processes.
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Old 07-04-2010, 6:15 AM
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You're letting your other biases get in the way of gunrights thought processes.
I get it. Some members here are going to vote with the Brady Campaign. I will not. When the Bradyites (to borrow your word) endorse Whitman (will never happen) I will switch sides.

I don't believe either candidate will try to eliminate our gun rights. There was a recent SCOTUS decision that has Chicago Dems (not the conservatives) in fits.

The libs already control Sacramento. If we give them the governors office as well there will be no end to the nonsense. Microstamping and long gun registration any one?

So.....the reason I quoted you is because you are right. Our gun rights are not at risk either way so my other biases are more important and I will never vote will the Bradys.
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Old 07-04-2010, 6:50 AM
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The libs already control Sacramento. If we give them the governors office as well there will be no end to the nonsense. Microstamping and long gun registration any one?
Uh, Arnold, a Republican, signed the Microstamping bill for California. Jerry Brown is not enforcing it, because of the patent issues. Meg being a Republican is no guarantee that bad gun bills are vetoed.
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Old 07-04-2010, 7:04 AM
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I'm still not convinced Moonbeam be da' man.

I have zero confidence in a career democrat politician.

I can't see sitting by the smoking hole of what will be the California economy, gun in hand saying, "Yay, we won !"

Yes, I am afraid of Whitman's lack of commitment to our 2A rights but she is a business person and we are up to our eyeballs in a failing business. I am a free market proponent and I firmly believe if we can get government off our backs the American people and small business in particular can fix even this broken economy.

I will have to vote for Whitman and I will have to appeal to the business women in her, that the support of the RKBA is also smart business.

We will need a governor that will have the gumption to veto the crap the democratic legislature (that won't change) will send to his/her desk. On this point, I don't have confidence in Brown being able to resist the enormous pressure of his party.

I know this is an unpopular perspective here, it's just my take and my .02.
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Old 07-04-2010, 7:30 AM
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I'm still not convinced Moonbeam be da' man.

I have zero confidence in a career democrat politician.

I can't see sitting by the smoking hole of what will be the California economy, gun in hand saying, "Yay, we won !"

Yes, I am afraid of Whitman's lack of commitment to our 2A rights but she is a business person and we are up to our eyeballs in a failing business. I am a free market proponent and I firmly believe if we can get government off our backs the American people and small business in particular can fix even this broken economy.

I will have to vote for Whitman and I will have to appeal to the business women in her, that the support of the RKBA is also smart business.

We will need a governor that will have the gumption to veto the crap the democratic legislature (that won't change) will send to his/her desk. On this point, I don't have confidence in Brown being able to resist the enormous pressure of his party.

I know this is an unpopular perspective here, it's just my take and my .02.
Well said.
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Old 07-04-2010, 7:30 AM
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Moonbat might have a pro-2nd Amendment record but he also has a very long record of out-of-control spending, raising taxes, extreme environmentalism, and support of a very leftist/socialist addenda.

This could be the end of the state.

When the last man loses his job here please turn off the lights.
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Old 07-04-2010, 7:37 AM
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Uh, Arnold, a Republican, signed the Microstamping bill for California. Jerry Brown is not enforcing it, because of the patent issues. Meg being a Republican is no guarantee that bad gun bills are vetoed.
And the microstamp bill came from the left. It will be back. Meg is also no guarantee that bad bills are passed. moonbeam, supported by the bradys is.

Losing rights incrementally is not better. Just see what the Dems are now trying to do in Chicago. An effective ban is still a ban.

voting with the Bradys makes you a Brady IMO.
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Old 07-04-2010, 7:44 AM
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Selling guns on ebay would be stupid. You know that. If that is all you have you are probably a lib. Hey, you're home, admit it and celebrate. You have us pro-constitution people out numbered.
Says the man with the Govenator as his avatar. That makes you a RINO.
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