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Old 09-11-2017, 6:11 PM
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Default From AR to Mini-14..?

Early this year I sold off my last AR, I just didn't want to deal with it anymore. Now I have a lever and a bolt rifle, but no semi-auto, which I miss.

Lately I've been thinking about a Mini-14. It's legal exactly how it is, no fins or bullet buttons or anything. It's a media and ban-state friendly rifle with its wood stock and traditional rifle lines. But it is a Mini-14.

Help me out Calguns. Is it a mistake? Or should I say to hell with it and ride the moped?
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Old 09-11-2017, 6:14 PM
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Why? Semi's aren't going anywhere. Cali knows they can't outright ban ar's, so they continue to try and restrict them. These lawsuits will be won eventually, just gotta stick it out.
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Old 09-11-2017, 6:15 PM
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Get a 14 or 30, buy one, or one of each. get several 10 rnd mags.

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Old 09-11-2017, 6:19 PM
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The newer production Ruger Mini-14 are good choice for a featureless semi-auto centerfire rifle.
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Why? Semi's aren't going anywhere. Cali knows they can't outright ban ar's, so they continue to try and restrict them. These lawsuits will be won eventually, just gotta stick it out.
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Old 09-11-2017, 6:21 PM
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Don't give in to the leftist ***wipes. Stand your ground and STICK IT OUT!!!!!! Thank you dwinters14.
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Why? Semi's aren't going anywhere. Cali knows they can't outright ban ar's, so they continue to try and restrict them. These lawsuits will be won eventually, just gotta stick it out.
I wish I shared your enthusiasm.
We will really see what they get away with during the next governorship.
As for the Mini-14, they have proven to be reliable, robust performers. Despite what all the Cal Guns folks say.
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Old 09-11-2017, 6:26 PM
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Get a Fightlite SCR lower and have your cake and eat it too.

LOVE mine.
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Old 09-11-2017, 6:37 PM
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Another vote for flightlight scr. Just a wonderful featureless rifle with nearly all the accessories of an ar. The lower half isn't very customizable but everything upper minus the carrier is.
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The lower half isn't very customizable but everything upper minus the carrier is.
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I put a wooden stock on mine. Bit of a hassle, but it looks real nice.

Get's a ton of looks at the range, but completely stealth as far a looking like a machine of modern war.
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Another vote for flightlight scr. Just a wonderful featureless rifle with nearly all the accessories of an ar. The lower half isn't very customizable but everything upper minus the carrier is.
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Its customizable enough for me.



Wood stock looks and feels nice but the cheek weld kinda sucks. Looking for a riser. The standard Monte Carlo stock you can get for it is perfect for me but I wanted wood.
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I have a mini thirty tactical and really like it. With a 3 point sling and a FastFire III, it is very nice to shoot.
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Old 09-11-2017, 7:54 PM
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Are your Mini14's as accurate as your AR's are?

I tried two different mini 14's and the accuracy was disappointing. I felt like if I wanted a shotgun I'd buy a shotgun!

For the price of the mini I'm wondering if it's close to the price of the scr?
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Early this year I sold off my last AR, I just didn't want to deal with it anymore. Now I have a lever and a bolt rifle, but no semi-auto, which I miss.

Lately I've been thinking about a Mini-14. It's legal exactly how it is, no fins or bullet buttons or anything. It's a media and ban-state friendly rifle with its wood stock and traditional rifle lines. But it is a Mini-14.

Help me out Calguns. Is it a mistake? Or should I say to hell with it and ride the moped?
It doesn't matter if you own an AR or not, any collection will be made better by adding a Mini-14, regardless of what California says or does about AR's.

I recommend buying a new series and a few upgrades will really improve its accuracy. They're easy to keep clean, they're a hoot to shoot and whatever they lack in accuracy they make up for in reliability.
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Buy an airsoft, OP. You can use it when they will ban your mini 14 next.
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Mini with wood stock is the way to go.
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LOVE mine.
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Its customizable enough for me.



Wood stock looks and feels nice but the cheek weld kinda sucks. Looking for a riser. The standard Monte Carlo stock you can get for it is perfect for me but I wanted wood.
Digging the wood stock on that.....your right it does need a cheek riser to get any kind of support. Nice rifle I'm putting the scr on the list ( I think ) how do they shoot? Pretty much like an ar I'd assume.
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I went with a none carlo lower. The mome carlo. Is a must for a decent cheek weld.
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I wish I shared your enthusiasm.
We will really see what they get away with during the next governorship.
As for the Mini-14, they have proven to be reliable, robust performers. Despite what all the Cal Guns folks say CD says.
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Old 09-11-2017, 9:30 PM
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Own a mini and an ar accuracy its known they dont compare but reliability the mini is very good.My ar is too but the mini can just be gritty dirty it does not stop.

For a plinker the mini is a fun gun just dont plan on long range accuracy vs an ar it wont make tight groups.
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They are not reliable, they are not robust, they are horribly inaccurate. Build a featureless AR.

People who say they are reliable and robust simply don't use their rifle in the field enough to know what a junk rifle it is.
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It doesn't matter if you own an AR or not, any collection will be made better by adding a Mini-14, regardless of what California says or does about AR's.

I recommend buying a new series and a few upgrades will really improve its accuracy. They're easy to keep clean, they're a hoot to shoot and whatever they lack in accuracy they make up for in reliability.
Lol no it doesn't.

I spent an hour a few weeks ago with a guy and his brand new Mini 30. Problems he encountered were as follows...

Scope rings wouldn't stay put.
Poor accuracy.
Extractor ripping case rims.
Wandering zero and stringing.

It is a junk rifle system that people should stop buying.

I was next to him shooting 1.2 MOA groups with my home built AR and XM193. Poor guy once thought my target was his through the spotting scope.
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I own a 580 series . Shoots well enough but its the pricing on new models at $800 plus that would prevent me form buying another ..
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SKS, for winning!
I'm all for Mini's, do it! I just don't care for the Rube-Goldberg feel of all the springs and sproings that are part of the AR series. Aluminum and plastic are not appealing to me and I don't find the pistol grip natural feeling. Also I don't take comfort in the .223 round; I've tried multiple times, but I needs a bit more abuse than it can muster.
I do believe that for most people and their situations, a 10/22 or a 9mm carbine are more appropriate and effective, but I'm not an operator so whadda I know?
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My self built AR-15's are now featureless.
My self built AR-10's are now mag locked.
Meanwhile my Min-14's are Whistling Past the Graveyard.

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get an M1 carbine or M1 garand instead
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It doesn't have to be either/or. You've already sold your AR so go get a mini 14. And if afterwards you really miss the AR go buy another AR. I've had a mini 14 for 30 years it has been totally reliable and really fun. No, it's not as accurate as my many AR's. I advocate for having both.
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Get that Mini. Shoot it, break it in and have fun.
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Mini 14s are sweet. Ignore the nay sayers.
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I have two Mini-14's. Love them both. They are great shooters and are very accurate. They are reliable. I have both 20 and 30 round magazines for mine that I got before I retired. They are all factory Ruger magazines and I've never had a problem with them.

I have three AR rifles, and they function well also. No complaints on any of them. They are basic rifles without a lot of kool aid gadgets on them.

I also have three SKS rifles. One is a Chinese and the other two are Yugoslav 59/66 with the grenade launcher removed. They were both unissued and are in pristine condition. I haven't fired either yet. I got them with consecutive serial numbers several years back. The night sights still glow. The Chinese is a great shooter and eats any kind of ammo I put in it. It is a fun gun to shoot.

Ignore the haters on all of them. They are all proven platforms. Find one you like and feel comfortable with.

I sold both my AR's before the 1989 ban and regretted it ever since. I'm keeping mine this time. The state knows I have guns, so I'm going to register them and enjoy using them this time. If the State goes full blown stupid, I'll just move them to Arizona where they will be safe and sound.
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OP, I have own and sold three mini 14's (2 older , 1 new) They meet the criteria as a featureless rifle in this state. They can be reliable, all of mine were. Accuracy is so so but they get the job done. I like the platform for some reasons.

Sold because they are not modular or easy to work on as an AR. If the firing pin breaks or it wears through the bolt as an example (a member posted that one on another thread), you need to send it to ruger for repair. For me not having readily available spare parts as a just in case is a deal breaker for me. Its because they need to be fitted. Not that a featureless AR is my first choice, but it outshines a Mini in many ways.
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Regardless of the mini haters, my mini 30 does the job, accurate and a good
deer rifle, its older from the late 80's. Get the ranch rifle, wood stock if you can. Mine is a 186 series, 1987.

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An AR with the (pricey) Thorsden stock would be nice for a .223 platform.
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Early this year I sold off my last AR, I just didn't want to deal with it anymore. Now I have a lever and a bolt rifle, but no semi-auto, which I miss.

Lately I've been thinking about a Mini-14. It's legal exactly how it is, no fins or bullet buttons or anything. It's a media and ban-state friendly rifle with its wood stock and traditional rifle lines. But it is a Mini-14.

Help me out Calguns. Is it a mistake? Or should I say to hell with it and ride the moped?
Big 5 has them on sale.
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I would also check out the Kel-Tec SU-16 if you're looking for an alternative to the AR.
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I would also check out the Kel-Tec SU-16 if you're looking for an alternative to the AR.
Good idea.

I have owned three Minis (185-series Mini14, 581-series Mini30, and 580-series Mini14) I still just have the 580 Mini 14, but liked all of them.

That said, if I wasn't in California, it's likely that I wouldn't ever have considered the Mini, especially when you consider that a basic AR rifle can be had for a few hundred less than your Mini.

Back in the old days (like 25 years ago), a Mini could correctly be described as a "poor man's AR" because AR rifles were frequently in the $1000 range while Minis were more like $350. If Minis could still be had for around $500, I suspect they'd enjoy a lot more popularity, regardless of their (well-documented) shortcomings vis-a-vis an AR15
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Does anyone here ever shoot or own any rifles other then an AR? Any time a gun is asked about that's not a AR, its like every post giving reasons why it needs to be an AR variant instead.
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The mini is a great rifle. Don't let me take anything away from it. The mags are the biggest flaw with it but as long as you get factory mags, you are set. Also get the ranch model that gives you the provision for a scope. The scope mounts for the non ranch never work.
For me, the scr is newer and more customizable. It is slightly more cost wise than the mini but for me, combines the best features of an ar in a featureless package. Also uses all the same mags.
I like my mini but really love the scr. Also consider the su16 in the mix. Another great featureless rifle.
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