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Old 01-13-2020, 1:46 AM
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Question Frame work not allowed for CCW?

Not even thinking about getting a CCW yet, but just curious if framework is allowed for your CCW pistol.

I think my next gun will be a possible carry gun. But I think this regulation will affect the selection process. Looking at either a G19 or a P01, going back and forth but I know if I get a Gen3 G19, finger groove removal and a undercut will probably be needed.

Any insight will be greatly appreciated.
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Old 01-13-2020, 1:50 AM
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Old 01-13-2020, 2:55 AM
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It is ALWAYS helpful to post who your IA is as they all have differing policies for issuing. I fail to understand why members don't post the IA when asking questions about CCW!
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If you get a G19, why would you "need" finger grove removal and an undercut?

I think you will find that about 95% of the CCW folks here carry stock weapons with the possible exception of the sights. I do, I carry a stock G19 about half the time, a G43 the other half. Both stock except the Tru-Glo's.
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It is ALWAYS helpful to post who your IA is as they all have differing policies for issuing. I fail to understand why members don't post the IA when asking questions about CCW!
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Based on prior posts, it appears he is in OC...
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Old 01-13-2020, 7:50 AM
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Hey Guys,

I’m OC, Irvine. I’m pretty new so didn’t know listing the issuing agency would be helpful. Not really thinking about getting a CCW yet, but want to make sure I get a concealable weapon just in case I do in the future.

I’m all about the stock. However, I’ve got some big hands and that middle groove on the gen3 frame is really uncomfortable.
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I’m all about the stock. However, I’ve got some big hands and that middle groove on the gen3 frame is really uncomfortable.
Gotcha. I'm not sure about OC, but I think they're ok with that stuff... someone will say for sure OP. I'd probably just remove the offensive groove and not say anything but better safe than sorry.
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OC is fine with pretty much just stippling and sights according to everything I've been told (and my 19 is stippled with finger grooves removed, my certification instructor said it was all good according to OCSD communications).
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Nice good to know!

Thanks!
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It is very helpful to getting a question answered, by those with appropriate experience, if your thread title includes the name of the Issuing Agency (IA).

Many things about issuing a License To Carry are left to the IA.
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It seems like OC rules changed last year. They were no longer approving guns that have had any alteration to the original configuration, including color, stippling, etc. when I renewed last year. You can change grips and sights, that is pretty much it. (You can not mill a slide for RDS.) Pretty lame. I'm sure a hundred people will pop up with exceptions, but that is what we were told during the renewal class and it was verified when I picked up my new license from OCSD. Your milage may vary.
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If you don’t like the Glock finger grooves, get a Gen 5 Glock. You will pay more but it is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall costs of CCW.

And by the time you have someone shave and stipple a Gen 3, you could have a Gen 5 for near the same investment. The difference is, resale is way higher on a Gen 5 than a stippled Gen 3 if you decide to change directions and need to get out of it.
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If you don’t like the Glock finger grooves, get a Gen 5 Glock. You will pay more but it is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall costs of CCW.

And by the time you have someone shave and stipple a Gen 3, you could have a Gen 5 for near the same investment. The difference is, resale is way higher on a Gen 5 than a stippled Gen 3 if you decide to change directions and need to get out of it.
Good point for those who want no finger grooves. Or a Gen 2, if you can find one.
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Just as an FYI

I got in touch with OCSD. They confirmed that finger groove removal and stippling are fine and within regulations.

Thanks for your help guys!
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I put in a request yesterday for a OCSD list of approved modifications and was told to expect it tomorrow. I’ve did see an emailed OCSD memo on a bulletin board at OC Firearm Academy while I was there for my renewal that said lights and lasers are now allowed. I’ll update if/when I get the list
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Modifications allowed: Sights(red dot included), Grips (stippling is allowed), Add a laser, Add a flashlight. That’s it!



Examples of what’s not allowed (this is not a list of all the unauthorized mods, just a few common ones people ask about):



Serrations/cutouts to a slide

Trigger jobs (this includes using OEM parts from one model being used in a different model of the same manufacturer)

Barrel swaps (different caliber, length) If a barrel gets wore out from too many practice rounds, it must be replaced with a factory OEM barrel for that specific model to keep it as originally manufactured.

Extended mag release

Extended slide stops

Slide exchanges

Cerakoting (as of right now not allowed, but could change in the near future)

Cut to frame to allow higher grip
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That’s funny. I went to the range today and tried a G19 again. This time I asked the Glock shooter in the next lame how he gripped his. After putting 50 rounds into it, the finger grooves were not that much of a factor and the grip angle actually helped my grip feel more stable.

Thanks for the advice.
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Old 01-27-2020, 8:48 AM
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Same question for San Joaquin county? Where would restrictions on firearm modification for San Joaquin county be listed? Is a spring kit (hammer spring, blocker spring, firing pin return spring) prohibited? Is a non-oem trigger prohibited? etc.
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In Sonoma County, no modifications are allowed whatsoever. Not even night sights or something as simple as Talon grip tape.

The weapon has to be left exactly as it was when it left the factory.
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Where are people finding these rules? Does the weapon get inspected? When? By whom?
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Where are people finding these rules? Does the weapon get inspected? When? By whom?
In OC, instructors sign you off. But more of should you be pulled over or detained and the officer wants to “inspect” your firearm, you can kiss your permit goodbye should he report you to your IA on grounds for modifications. This is extreme case though and unlikely to happen (but there’s the what if and possible revocation that you will need to explain in any future applications to an IA).
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That all makes sense, but I am still looking for somewhere, anywhere that states the restrictions for my county (San Joaquin). It can't just be verbal from an instructor, right?
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Where are people finding these rules? Does the weapon get inspected? When? By whom?
1. Rules can be found at the IA.
2-4. If the weapon is actually used defensively, the DA can have it inspected while in evidence for unauthorized modifications. Most likely it will be heavily scrutinized.

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Both my Glocks have removed finger grooves with talon grips.

I'm in Solano so chances are probably slim anyway of getting a CCW.

Are modified frames allowed for BSIS exposed carry permits?
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Old 01-28-2020, 1:34 PM
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I finally found it for San Joaquin County (FAQ pdf on their website):
"We allow modifications to enhance the sighting and grips. We do not allow modifications to the weapons that would alter it from the manufacturer’s original specification."
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I've never understood how IAs are allowed to effectively enforce what should be formal regulation/law without any process whatsoever.

They have near wholesale discretion and it just seems legally dubious for multiplicities of reasons. The mere fact that some counties are shall not issue, or shall issue means the Sheriff has way too much power.
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Something to think about before you alter your concealed carry firearm. If the worst case happens and you are forced to use your firearm. You will be put under extreme scrutiny. Minor changes to your firearm will be blown out proportion to make you into some crazed gunnut who was actively looking to shoot someone.
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