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Kblack583 A front end heavy gun will shoot just as good as a balanced gun BUT it is so much work to shoot it isn't worth it. The barrel contours and length you are talking about are relatively light for a competition rifle but seem extremely heavy if your used to a hunting type rifle. I have zero experience with the stocks you mentioned but the picture is of a Tooley MBR stock Remington 700 action and a 28 inch max heavy varmint barrel in 338 Lapua Ackley Improved. I am inletting the stock by hand so no recoil lug in the picture and lots of tape. If it doesn't balance I will remove the buttpad and fill with lead shot and epoxy until it does.
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You want the back of the gun to be heavy enough to sit still. If you don't have enough weight in the back, don't go with too much weight in front...
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Here is one of my heavygun stocks setup for a 1.750 diameter barrel 34 inches long showing the round stainless bars. They add weight but they also keep the gun from rocking side to side. If your stock has a flat bottom banging the bolt open and closed will make the sand buildup in the middle of the bag and hurt accuracy. By placing two points apart from each other sand buildup in the middle doesn't allow any rocking motion.
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Kblack583 One of our shooters has some barrels 2.5 inches in diameter that are 45 or 48 Inches long weighing 67-69 pounds just for the barrel. The picture is of my 338 Lapua Ackley Improved with a 1.750 Lilja barrel 34 inches long and the gun weighs around 45 pounds. You can hang a 1.250 straight cylinder barrel 30 inches long off of a Remington 700 action. If you go larger you need a barrel block or the action will flex and ruin the bedding and that will wreck your accuracy.
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Just a quick update. I ordered a shouldered barrel from patriot valley arms today. I ordered it in a m24 contour with a 26” finished length. My action is still on track to ship mid next month. The wait sucks, but I should have all of my parts ready when I get it out of dros. All that’s left is a trigger. I’m gonna use my pst gen 2 until I save up for a better scope.
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Is your action shipping to patriot valley arms so they can thread the barrel and chamber the barrel to match your action/bolt and then they are shipping the barreled action on to your FFL?
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no, he's prefitting the barrel. He said that since bighorn/zermatt makes such consistent actions, he's able to chamber and thread it. He said that of the hundreds of tl3s that he's measured, they were all within .0003" of each other and that the new origins will be held to the same standards. We'll how it goes, he has a really good reputation.
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In my experience, it's not.
It's common for actions to be within 0.003" across a model, but 0.0003" is exceedingly rare as most companies simply don't work to those tolerances as there is little to be gained from doing so. BAT machine is the only one I have run into with consistent headspace across multiple copies of a single model. I could probably go look at some of my TL3 build sheets and see if they are consistent as well though. It's entirely possible that they are and I just didn't notice as I measure every one right before I fit a barrel and I don't need to remember the dimensions since they are written down.
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This is a good educational thread! Thanks Krilla for posting it. I'm kinda in the same boat. looking to order a barreled action from PVA. I'm leaning towards the ARC Nucleus, with heavy palma and shouldered install with Barloc. PVA is offering 3 extra barrels for a lower price. i may go that route.
Just need to save some more $ and wait 'til all the kinks get worked out on manufacturer's end. |
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That can only be done when the barrel is fitted to a specific action. Pre-fit barrels also have to be fitted looser to ensure they will actually thread-in to the reciever. Lapped fits like how a benchrest gun are built are not possible with a pre-fit barrel.
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From my understanding, zermatt is an iso certified aerospace machine shop first and foremost. Being iso certified, they are held to certain standards and that translates into their actions. If you listen the precision rifle media podcast Josh from pva goes over it a bit. |
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If it turns out that this barrel is a dud, I’ll be bringing you a blank for you to spin on for me. Then you can tell me “I told you so” and I’ll humbly take it |
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ISO is mostly about documentation, specifications and checking that parts meet specifications. You can correctly document and make crap as long as the crap you make meets the crappy specs you claim. |
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I would love one, but they’re almost double my budget for a trigger. I’m leaning towards the trigger tech special. |
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Thanks for sharing! I picked one up. Got free 2nd day shipping as well. $115 to my door for a trigger tech.
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For sure not a heavy palma.
Palma contours have a full diameter breech for only 3 inches, then the short steep taper down to 1.000-.900 (depending on light through heavy palma) begins. We can only see the breech end and only about 5 inches at that, but it's apparent that this is a straight taper barrel, maybe an MTU or M40 contour. |
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You are correct it’s a m24/40 contour. |
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Finally got my rifle put together. I’m really happy with the way it came out. Here’s a final parts breakdown
Mdt ess Bighorn origin Rock creek 6.5 barrel chambered by pva Triggertech special Atlas psr Area 419 brake Vortex pst gen 2 5-25 |
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Thanks man! I’m gonna get out next Saturday to throw some lead down range. I will definitely post pictures. |
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Length wise I have just enough to screw the sunshade on and off. As you can see, the objective sits below the the front of the rail, but you can’t see it at all when looking through the scope. |
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