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SP ammo in AK calibers is just that, normal soft points for hunting; as for use, it's for when you can't separate your desire for taking game and your lust for Soviet-bloc hardware.
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Soft tips provide better terminal performance than your typical FMJ round due to expansion. Useful for hunting and for two legged prey.
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SP is also fun watching it go Splat in a small lead cloud on steel at 200-300 Yd.
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Or would HP be a better option in this case vs. SP?
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Those steel jacketed soft points don't expand much in my experience. go with winchester or privi with copper jackets for hunting.. YMMV
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I think that's used in Tulammo's 124gr JHP according to some on the forum; most people say it comes from the Uly batches, but I've got nothing but what I've read on other forums and 300rds of it to try out.
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Issue is, most the russian made softpoint stuff doesnt work very well. I'd check out the Corbon DPX stuff if you want a good expanding round.
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The 8m3 isnt a hollow point like the tula/uly. Its hollow cavity, but still fully jacketed IIRC.
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I have no data but I would assume a SP or HP (of equal quality) to perform similarly to each other and both to perform better in tissue trauma than a typical FMJ round out of an AK.
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Shooting 7.62x39 soft points on gallon water jugs at 25 yds is a favorite passtime of mine.
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There was a debate going on when I was researching the 8m3 on other forums if the bullet design had changed or if the ammo manufacturer went with a different bullet. Someone, somewhere (AKFiles I think... Wish I had saved the link) had been able to trace a path of the 8m3 in the US from Wolf and another brand and then at a certain year/batch, it switched over to a different bullet and then the 8m3 reappeared in Tulammo. The way to tell with the WMC I believe is the weight, they only had 124 gr and 122 gr, but never both at the same time; not 100% on that as Tula sells both weights concurrently and I don't see why WPA/WMC wouldn't do the same.
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Here is a e-mail from the president of Tula in regards to them carrying the 8M3 bullet in their 124gr HP offering. Update –– I got an email from the head of Tulammo about the Tula 124 gr. HPs: "I wanted to respond to your email, but I was waiting to receive a definitive response from Ulyanovsk before I replied. The Tulammo HP bullet you refer to below is the only bullet currently being imported into the U.S. from the Ulyanovsk factory in Russia. The “T” in Tulammo stands for The Tula Cartridge Company. The “UL” stands for The Ulyanovsk Cartridge Company. Until you asked the question, I was under the assumption that all of the 124 GR. HP bullets had the necessary cuts inside the bullet to provide a similar effect as the 8M3. I was informed today, that under their manufacturing guidelines, roughly 10% of the production could have bullets that might not have as detailed cuts as the 8M3. For your information, this is the exact same guideline that has been in place since the first Ulyanovsk production was imported into the U.S. Nothing has changed at the Ulyanovsk factory concerning this over the past twenty years of Russian imports into the U.S. I have only been involved with the two Russian factories since November of 2009. Prior to that, I owned Sellier & Bellot, USA. If I had known of the discrepancy, I would have informed Ulyanovsk that 100% of the bullets (no manufacturing process for bullets will always guarantee 100%) need to meet the criteria. Even though Ulyanovsk cannot specifically tell us the exact production requirements of the military 8M3 bullet, I was assured today that they will take the necessary steps to implement the production of any future Tulammo 124 GR. HP bullets as closely as possible to the 8M3. Best regards, Ed Grasso President"
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Thanks for the update Freagan; I figured that the 8m3 would have been a standard bullet used, but that email makes it sound like 1) Uly or their supplier makes more than 1 type of HP bullet or 2) they use a standard HP-type bullet and add the cuts after the fact instead of incorporating them in the first place.
EDIT: OP- Use a HP like the 124gr Tulammo instead of a East-Bloc SP. The 8m3 has a better expansion and consistency of expansion than the other Combloc HPs and SPs. Though I am interested in trying the 154gr SPs as I like the idea of a heavyweight round in an intermediate caliber.
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