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Old 03-21-2018, 11:30 PM
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Fairly simple question/scenario that may produce some very interesting answers and may help me with choosing the next add to the collection: You have an unlimited supply of 44 mag target ammo on the table next to you, and an 8" plate 80 yards away. Which Firearm would you use to get 80 rounds on target in the shortest time?
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Old 03-22-2018, 12:09 AM
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If there's some kind of money riding on this or it's important to me I think I might go with the Ruger "Deerfield", also known as the model 99/44.
It's a semi-automatic
...and since you didn't say we couldn't have pre-loaded our unlimited supply of of that .44 magnum ammo into magazines, that might speed my time up over other choices.


(But to be honest I might go with a Smith & Wesson revolver because I like a challenge.)
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Old 03-22-2018, 12:22 AM
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Old 03-22-2018, 12:38 AM
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If there's some kind of money riding on this or it's important to me I think I might go with the Ruger "Deerfield", also known as the model 99/44.
It's a semi-automatic
...and since you didn't say we couldn't have pre-loaded our unlimited supply of of that .44 magnum ammo into magazines, that might speed my time up over other choices.


(But to be honest I might go with a Smith & Wesson revolver because I like a challenge.)
Ok. You can only use 1 firearm, and no, nothing is preloaded, just loose ammo on the table. By the way, doesn't that Ruger use 4 round mags exclusively?
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Why would one need to get 80 rounds of 44 down range quickly? I'd go with accuracy over spray and pray. Any revolver will do.
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Good ear protection would be nice also.
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Old 03-22-2018, 10:52 AM
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"Why would one need to get 80 rounds of 44 down range quickly?"
It's a competition, winner takes 2k. Which gun? How are you loading?
Using irons with a 4" revolver at 80 may not be far from spray and pray ... unless of course you're the man. Certainly there is a better tool for the job.
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Desert Eagle 44 mag. 8 Rounds mag capacity.



Maybe two of 'em...

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My marlin model 1894 lever action
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Lever action.

The longer barrel should give and edge over a revolver, you have better contact with the firearm for more stability, longer sight radius, recoil is more manageable, and loading should be faster.

With a revolver, you have to empty the cylinder and load more ammo, close, fire, and repeat. With a lever gun, you can feed into the tube at any time and just let the empties hit the ground.

An 8" plate at 80 yards is a challenging target with a revolver, especially in a time crunch. I shoot a 12" plate at 100 yards with a few pistols. The Ruger Hunter 22 is most consistent followed by my 460 magnum. Steel chicken targets at 110 or so yards (standing with no support for the revolver which weighs 4.5 pounds) are doable with iron sights and the 460, but it isn't fast or easy. Then again, the reason those targets are up in the first place is that we shoot lever action silhouette and people (including me) have enough trouble hitting the targets with iron or peep sights and lever guns ranging from 38spl up to 30-30. We shoot standing, with no support other than our own body.

Will you be bench shooting, or free standing?

Peep sights are much better than standard iron sights. I ended up with a slightly larger aperture on my peep vs. what I thought would work. The small one limits light too much and has a dark shadow in the middle. The mid size one gives me a clear view that seems like it would allow me to be way off target, but it works and reading the science of peep sights seems to explain why they are accurate.

Hopefully you get to practice and setup the gun/sights before the match.
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Some strange posts today. I couldn't see an eight inch plate at 80 yards.
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Rossi lever rifle in .44. Kicks like a Mike Tyson sucker punch so I doubt you'd get 80 on target from flinching so bad after the first 4 or 5. It'll do its part if you do yours.
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Get yourself an AR in 44 and some long mags if there are such things.
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Fairly simple question/scenario that may produce some very interesting answers and may help me with choosing the next add to the collection: You have an unlimited supply of 44 mag target ammo on the table next to you, and an 8" plate 80 yards away. Which Firearm would you use to get 80 rounds on target in the shortest time?
WHat? - Why??

Anyway the gun I like is the Desert Eagle
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I appreciate the thoughtful responses, I do intend to prevail in this wager.

Several have proposed the Desert Eagle, which would be a spectacular choice at 20 yards. At that distance using a speed loader, one might be able to complete in less than 5 minutes with practice. But freestanding at 80 would entail slow sighting and/or too many misses.
Lever action; Marlin, Rossi, and Henrys seem to be the popular choice. So I wonder which one of these is best suited. I know they are similar, probably comes down to which can be loaded quicker. Gate or tube loader, does anyone own both? Can the tube be quickly topped off if needed?

The old Ruger 44 semi would be the perfect tool of course if Ruger had ever made 10 round mags for this rifle (yes we are in CA.) I thought there might be something like a newer semi in 44 as @heidad01 sort of suggested. Anyone?
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Either S&W Classic Hunter with 6" barrel or Dan Wesson 44 with 6" barrel because I can reload them faster than my Browning 92 or Marlin 94.
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Hit a 8" plate @ 80yds 80 times off hand ------ I don't see reloading speed as an issue

But in the spirit of fun, the issue of handgun vs. rifle has already been decided


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Hit a 8" plate @ 80yds 80 times off hand ------ I don't see reloading speed as an issue

But in the spirit of fun the issue of handgun vs. rifle has already been decided


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQPhLeyzkLY
If you have been shooting beer cans and clay pigeons at 100yds. How hard would it be to hit an 8" plate at 80yds?
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Hit a 8" plate @ 80yds 80 times off hand ------ I don't see reloading speed as an issue

But in the spirit of fun, the issue of handgun vs. rifle has already been decided


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQPhLeyzkLY
And that would be "the man" I referred to in post 8.

Does anyone have both tube and gate load levers? Which is faster to load, any trick to filling them quickly? Any drawback to either system? Can the Henry be topped off?
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Fairly simple question/scenario that may produce some very interesting answers and may help me with choosing the next add to the collection: You have an unlimited supply of 44 mag target ammo on the table next to you, and an 8" plate 80 yards away. Which Firearm would you use to get 80 rounds on target in the shortest time?
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And that would be "the man" I referred to in post 8.

Does anyone have both tube and gate load levers? Which is faster to load, any trick to filling them quickly? Any drawback to either system? Can the Henry be topped off?
Tube feed can be loaded faster if you have speed loaders otherwise they are about the same, one round at a time. The Henry can be topped off, you just have to pull the tube up to do it.

Double action revolver can be loaded two or three rounds at a time without a speed loader.
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Ok, and I guess a modern 10 round semi auto rifle in 44 mag doesn't exist, as in something similar to the ktec 40 ... ?
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Thompson Center with a scope and bipod.

You're only reloading one at a time in any of these (into the magazine), I'll just be taking my shots between reloads. With a scope. And a bipod.
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Does anyone have both tube and gate load levers?
Rossi makes one model with both. But it only comes in .454.

I have no idea why they haven't included that feature on their guns in other calibers. I have no idea why other brands haven't jumped on that feature. It's a no brainer.
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My Dan Wesson 744V with the 8" barrel attached.
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Some strange posts today. I couldn't see an eight inch plate at 80 yards.
I was sitting here wondering IF I l could as well.
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You can see it. But can you see it through a fuzzy sight picture and through floaters?

In reply to the OP question, I'd use what was in my safe that is chambered in .44 Mag: either my 20" Browning 92 or my 7-1/2" Old Model Super Blackhawk. Makes no difference; either one gives me, at the minimum, 80% hits on similar targets at similar distances. That's at least four of the five from the whirlenpopper, and 8 to 9 rounds of 10 from the lever carbine.

I would prefer! to use a 250 grain Keith LSWC over 7.5 grains Unique for 950 fps from any of my three Ruger flat top Blackhawks in .44 Special, however.
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I’ll be different and say Ruger 77/44 with a low powered scope.

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Rossi makes one model with both. But it only comes in .454.

I have no idea why they haven't included that feature on their guns in other calibers. I have no idea why other brands haven't jumped on that feature. It's a no brainer.
That would be kind of cool, but if you lost your tube for some reason you'd have a single shot.

If you were to dent the tube on a gate feed it would just limit the number of rounds it held. If you dent the tube on a tube feed you might have a single shot if you cant pull the tube up to load it.

With a gate feed you can load rounds into it with muzzle pointed down, up sideways or however.
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Henry makes tube loaders, so that already loses to anything with a gate.
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Well then, does anyone make a speed loader for 44 mag tubes, so I can pour 15 at a time into a Henry's?
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Well then, does anyone make a speed loader for 44 mag tubes, so I can pour 15 at a time into a Henry's?
How long is the barrel? because that usually determines tubular magazine capacity with lever carbines/rifles.

You're still going to have to feed each round individually into the tubular speed loader...

I'd prefer to use a brand of rifle with a loading gate, typically located on the right side of the receiver. The trick to loading rounds one at a time quickly into a loading gate is to mostly insert a round with the right hand, leaving just the rim exposed before it would disappear behind the loading gate, and while holding that round against the magazine spring with your left thumb, place another round against the first and insert that one but just to the rim again... and so on. When you get to the last round (10 or 11 on a 20" carbine), insert it fully, cycle the action and you're ready to resume firing.

I can load 10 rounds into a Winchester, their clones or a Marlin as fast as I can load 10 rounds into any magazine by hand.

Curious, though; why 80 rounds on target against the clock? Why not 50 or 100?
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If I had pre-loaded speed loader tubes (which a quick search did not show any in .44) I would use a Henry rifle. I have used speed loader tubes with rim-fire and they work well.

Barring tubes, I would use a Marlin 1894 that is well broken in or that has been polished and the feed gate and lever lubed with a dry lube. I prefer the loading gate because you can top it off without getting out of a firing position or opening anything.

I would consider a low power optic if you are allowed in whatever this challenge is. Especially when timing comes into play a handgun is useless to me at 80 yards against an 8" target. I would be hard pressed to hit it with a revolver even taking time to set up my shots.
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Fairly simple question/scenario that may produce some very interesting answers and may help me with choosing the next add to the collection: You have an unlimited supply of 44 mag target ammo on the table next to you, and an 8" plate 80 yards away. Which Firearm would you use to get 80 rounds on target in the shortest time?
Marlin lever action carbine or a Ruger 77/44 ....
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Look into cowboy shooting or what ever they call it.....the lever is king but they smooth the action. It's really nice shooting after that....you never take your eye off the target except to reload.

A mini 14 could work if they have a 44
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