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Keep at them. They'll fix it. 18 19.35%
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Old 10-12-2017, 8:23 PM
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I'd have gladly paid more for a completely usable rifle.
You say that in hind sight. You bought a gun online from KYgunco(usually ~$100 less than LGS) without being able to inspect it.

I’m not defending Marlin for their QC issue. I can say that I and many others purposefully paid more to buy one from my LGS that we could inspect.
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Unless your LGS:

1. Actually carries them (mine don't)
2. Will let you completely detail strip and fire the rifle (None will)

...the entire "buy it only if you can see it" is total BS.

I'm the Soviet Union, you could tell which things were made around quitting time, on Friday, etc. If the quality of your product is on par with a Soviet Bloc car, something is wrong. I trusted the internet on this one, and to anybody on the fence, don't buy a Marlin. I have provided all the photos and proof to show my cautionary tale isn't just conjecture. They've consistently got the important things wrong at multiple steps and across multiple people at the factory, and their customer service is of the same non-quality. I had no bias in this, and if anything wanted to believe. That's why I bought the rifle.

When you're consistently bad, that isn't an accident, it's an identity. The new Marlin sucks.

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Unless your LGS:

1. Actually carries them (mine don't)
2. Will let you completely detail strip and fire the rifle (None will)

...the entire "buy it only if you can see it" is total BS.

I'm the Soviet Union, you could tell which things were made around quitting time, on Friday, etc. If the quality of your product is on par with a Soviet Bloc car, something is wrong. I trusted the internet on this one, and to anybody on the fence, don't buy a Marlin. I have provided all the photos and proof to show my cautionary tale isn't just conjecture. They've consistently got the important things wrong at multiple steps and across multiple people at the factory, and their customer service is of the same non-quality. I had no bias in this, and if anything wanted to believe. That's why I bought the rifle.

When you're consistently bad, that isn't an accident, it's an identity. The new Marlin sucks.
No one in contra costa county carried a marlin 1895 in 45-70??

As per the OP; what about a loose sight hood/assembly, poor stock fit, poor recoil pad fit, rough lever, and heavy trigger pull requires a complete detail strip? All LGS Iíve been to that wants to sell rifles let me dry fire.

I want to sympathize for you. But some things arenít making sense to me. Maybe Iím too critical.
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Definitely bad QC and CS, I’ll give you that. Sad to see the inevitable decline of a great American gun manufacturer.
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Well I'm sad to read this after recommending it. I have no tolerance for crappy tools/ stuff.

If I were you I would demand a refund- Period.
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So much anger
Perhaps you've not, but I've been in his shoes with a Volquartsen Evolution that kept breaking down. Two years of broken extractors, broken bolts and the gun's action blowing up and seizing. And the maker supposedly fixing, not fixing, correcting and losing the gun. Was it shipped - don't know, everyone's at Shot Show..... Then shipping it back to me with the wrong color stock - and a thumbhole one at that. Very aggravating.

I ended up getting a new replacement rifle that worked. Perhaps the OP will be as fortunate.
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Hey John browning, Iím with you on how bad the new Marlins are. Donít listen to the ones backing up marlin or Remington, clearly they have not bought a newer marlin since Remington took over. I stick with the pre 2006 jm stamped Marlins and have never had a problem.
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When you're consistently bad, that isn't an accident, it's an identity. The new Marlin sucks.
I tried to like them too but I couldn't find a good example so I bailed on them.

I ended up with a Mossberg 464 that I really like. It has an aluminum receiver so if you're traditionalist this might bother you but I like how light the gun is. Sad but of the current production lever 30-30's, mossberg is the only option. Henry makes one but I can't take them seriously because of how bloody heavy they are.
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[QUOTE=dfletcher;20753994]You may find this funny. It's 100% true.

A friend has a Marlin 1895 rifle. I have the Guide Gun. Went to the range a while back and all went well with mine, he couldn't hit nothing. When he did get on paper (finally, at 50 yds) the strikes were obviously keyholed. As in sideways. We went from 405 to 350 to 305 grains. Jacketed to lead. No difference. Gave up, went home.

For some reason I ended up cleaning the guns. Drawing a copper brush with patch through his gun barrel was smooth as silk. And the brush didn't have a habing of unscrewing a bit, as tends to happen when it rides the rifling. Reminded me of ... a shotgun.

No rifling. The shiniest, smoothest bore I've ever seen. Either Marlin forgot to rifle it or they put one of their 410 "1895" barrels on it by mistake. He sent it back, they fixed it fine. Still, you have to wonder how such a thing happens.

Only one way it could happen.
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So I called them yesterday, and the rep said that I should go shoot it before sending to it back. I told her that the barrel would lead in a couple shots due to the rifling problems and that the MIM void in the lever wouldn't hold up to the overpressure. I could possibly blow myself up.

Once I said it wasn't safe, their lawyer training took over and immediately she said it needs to go back to the factory.

So, here we go again. I am sending it back with a note to contact me for a refund if they can't be sure they got it right.

So, here I am with a rifle I bought July 4th that I still can't safely shoot. There is no excuse for this type of product QC or customer service.
Another mistake. You should demand a refund. Nothing else.
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I ended up with a Mossberg 464 tha. Sad but of the current production lever 30-30's, mossberg is the only option. Henry makes one but I can't take them seriously because of how bloody heavy they are.
I'm going to have to take a look at these. I never cared for Mossbergs due to past experiences (40 years ago) however, I purchased two Mossberg shotguns early this year, and I really like them for the price I paid.

I see they make a rimfire lever gun too.
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No one in contra costa county carried a marlin 1895 in 45-70??
The L in LGS is local, not county, which starts with a C.

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As per the OP; what about a loose sight hood/assembly, poor stock fit, poor recoil pad fit, rough lever, and heavy trigger pull requires a complete detail strip? All LGS I’ve been to that wants to sell rifles let me dry fire.

I want to sympathize for you. But some things aren’t making sense to me. Maybe I’m too critical.
You're just not that knowledgeable. You think that you can tell if a rifle headspaces properly, has an in-spec chamber and doesn't shoot two feet left at 100 yards or keyhole at 25 feet because you got your hands on it and dry fired? A hands on inspection can't go as far as you think.

Your self confidence far exceeds your knowledge.
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I'm going to have to take a look at these. I never cared for Mossbergs due to past experiences (40 years ago) however, I purchased two Mossberg shotguns early this year, and I really like them for the price I paid.

I see they make a rimfire lever gun too.
Mossberg has their own issue with their pump guns....the forend action bars are pinned to the forend, and those pins have a tendency to fall out at just the wrong moment.
Older 500s and 590s have solid action bars that are integral to the action tubes. Way better setup.

My buddy had the pins fall out on his newer 500 while we were in the middle of a Sporting Clays round. His gun became useless.
I convinced him to upgrade the slide tube to a one-piece, and upgrade to the Magpul forend which resurrected his 500 to the way it SHOULD be.

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Another mistake. You should demand a refund. Nothing else.
What does it take for you to get it? A building falling on your head??
I'm done with the new Marlin, one way or another. As soon as I can find a JM Guide Gun, this one is gone. If the factory doesn't fix it, I'm going for the refund and will be .45-70less for awhile.
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Thereís no way I could be 45/70 less for a while, I currently own 9. My latest is a Thompson pro hunter.
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I wish Miroku, of Japan, would produce a SS lever action in .45-70; that would finally end all this jostling around with these "well known has been" former decent manufacturers, who now produce transient wet-wipes.
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i love my 1895sbl, just picked it last month and shoots laser beams while looking sexy. Sorry op if you picked up a bad one. If you're looking to shoot 45-70 and have no preference in looks then you'd be happy with a henry. For myself i just had to have the 18" stainless sbl cause there's none other like it in the market.
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That would be a nice rifle !
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Donít listen to the ones backing up marlin or Remington, clearly they have not bought a newer marlin since Remington took over.
While I have several "JM" rifles, I purchased a 45-70 that was made in 2013 and have not had any issues with it. Looked it over at the local shop and it was fine and shoots well. No problems. While there are some bad examples of current ones out there, to say they are all junk is simply not true.
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To say that Most are junk is exactly true.
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To say, "they put out a few good ones" does not instill buyer confidence for me....I'm out!
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love my marlin rimfires at least?
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Update:

I got the rifle back from Marlin in early November. They replaced the lever assembly entirely, replaced the front sight, and the rifle looked safe enough to shoot. The barrel still has pseudo-micro groove rifling with very discernable rough extra lands in between each normal ballard cut rifling. It's ROUGH. Marlin said it was fine by their standards. I didn't want to post until I got to shoot it.

I got it out to the range about two weeks ago. The GBL shot everything about 8 inches to the right at 50 yards. Vertically, it was all over the place with 300gr loads shooting two inches low at 50 yards and 405gr loads shooting 7 inches high at the same difference. The rear sight managed to be drifted way over in the dovetail during the last repair and I didn't catch it. The vertical stringing is way more than I've ever seen, but I'll shoot some more loads to see what's up. The rifle will feed fine with no jams over what is now about 100 rounds.

I put some Skinner Express sights on it and shot it again last weekend. It is good for left and right, but still shows a whole lot more vertical stringing at 50 yards than I've ever seen.

The 1957 Marlin 336 in .35 Remington that I picked up at Cabela's put the first five rounds of FTX into about two inches at 50 yards, dead on, right out of the gate. It is all-together a totally superior rifle.

You want a Marlin, take your chances.
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Marlin doesn't suck Remington SUCKS!
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This is the truth. Any real Marlin is a jewel.
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I got the rifle back from Marlin in early November. They replaced the lever assembly entirely, replaced the front sight, and the rifle looked safe enough to shoot. The barrel still has pseudo-micro groove rifling with very discernable rough extra lands in between each normal ballard cut rifling. It's ROUGH. Marlin said it was fine by their standards. I didn't want to post until I got to shoot it.

I got it out to the range about two weeks ago. The GBL shot everything about 8 inches to the right at 50 yards. Vertically, it was all over the place with 300gr loads shooting two inches low at 50 yards and 405gr loads shooting 7 inches high at the same difference. The rear sight managed to be drifted way over in the dovetail during the last repair and I didn't catch it. The vertical stringing is way more than I've ever seen, but I'll shoot some more loads to see what's up. The rifle will feed fine with no jams over what is now about 100 rounds.

I put some Skinner Express sights on it and shot it again last weekend. It is good for left and right, but still shows a whole lot more vertical stringing at 50 yards than I've ever seen.

The 1957 Marlin 336 in .35 Remington that I picked up at Cabela's put the first five rounds of FTX into about two inches at 50 yards, dead on, right out of the gate. It is all-together a totally superior rifle.

You want a Marlin, take your chances.
So, are you stuck with it now that Remlin has "fixed" it? I wouldn't be happy with the lack of repeatable accuracy and I wouldn't feel right trying to sell it to another shooter. No chance Remlin would give you your $ back and take the POS back?
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I have LOVED marlin for many many years ....... I want to love the new junk .. I hope to someday love the new junk....... I really want to love the new junk ...but it is what it is
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Gun was featured in the movie “Wind River” 2017. Based on a true story about unreported abuses on women on tribal lands. I watched the movie for what it was. The Marlin 1895 was just a bonus.

Directed by T. Sheridan, who is also known for his works with Sicario and Hell or High Water.
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I got the rifle back from Marlin in early November. They replaced the lever assembly entirely, replaced the front sight, and the rifle looked safe enough to shoot. The barrel still has pseudo-micro groove rifling with very discernable rough extra lands in between each normal ballard cut rifling. It's ROUGH. Marlin said it was fine by their standards. I didn't want to post until I got to shoot it.

I got it out to the range about two weeks ago. The GBL shot everything about 8 inches to the right at 50 yards. Vertically, it was all over the place with 300gr loads shooting two inches low at 50 yards and 405gr loads shooting 7 inches high at the same difference. The rear sight managed to be drifted way over in the dovetail during the last repair and I didn't catch it. The vertical stringing is way more than I've ever seen, but I'll shoot some more loads to see what's up. The rifle will feed fine with no jams over what is now about 100 rounds.

I put some Skinner Express sights on it and shot it again last weekend. It is good for left and right, but still shows a whole lot more vertical stringing at 50 yards than I've ever seen.

The 1957 Marlin 336 in .35 Remington that I picked up at Cabela's put the first five rounds of FTX into about two inches at 50 yards, dead on, right out of the gate. It is all-together a totally superior rifle.

You want a Marlin, take your chances.
Two completely different loads that shot in different places on the target? Most would call that normal.
Post up some groups shot with the same ammo not two different loads/bullet weights.

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Two completely different loads that shot in different places on the target? Most would call that normal.
Post up some groups shot with the same ammo not two different loads/bullet weights.

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This.

Vertical stringing is only valid if shooting the same ammo, not different types. Bullet weight and velocity changes will sometimes signifigantly change the point of impact.

That being said, I have sworn off buying any Remlins, this thread was the nail in the coffin.

There are plenty of pre Rem Marlins out there for sale....patience is the key.

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I got the rifle back from Marlin in early November. They replaced the lever assembly entirely, replaced the front sight, and the rifle looked safe enough to shoot. The barrel still has pseudo-micro groove rifling with very discernable rough extra lands in between each normal ballard cut rifling. It's ROUGH. Marlin said it was fine by their standards. I didn't want to post until I got to shoot it.

I got it out to the range about two weeks ago. The GBL shot everything about 8 inches to the right at 50 yards. Vertically, it was all over the place with 300gr loads shooting two inches low at 50 yards and 405gr loads shooting 7 inches high at the same difference. The rear sight managed to be drifted way over in the dovetail during the last repair and I didn't catch it. The vertical stringing is way more than I've ever seen, but I'll shoot some more loads to see what's up. The rifle will feed fine with no jams over what is now about 100 rounds.

I put some Skinner Express sights on it and shot it again last weekend. It is good for left and right, but still shows a whole lot more vertical stringing at 50 yards than I've ever seen.

The 1957 Marlin 336 in .35 Remington that I picked up at Cabela's put the first five rounds of FTX into about two inches at 50 yards, dead on, right out of the gate. It is all-together a totally superior rifle.

You want a Marlin, take your chances.
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Two completely different loads that shot in different places on the target? Most would call that normal.
Post up some groups shot with the same ammo not two different loads/bullet weights.

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Lynn "Jr" living off daddy's name and probably money as well. Loser
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I have never seen a point of impact shift 9+ vertical inches at 50 yards. I know shift is normal. That's not a normal amount.
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Lynn "Jr" living off daddy's name and probably money as well. Loser
Daddy's name? What did Lynn Sr do?
Your a pathetic Remington basher/hater yet you don't own a single gun that will outshoot any of my Remingtons. I have posted the challenge before so put up or shut up.
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Sorry jr your Remington BS is so damn annoying you made my IGNORE list.
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No your BS can't outshoot a Remington so you went hiding with your tail tucked between your legs.
Borrow a 6PPC from someone who actually shoots owns a gun and show everyone you can out my Remingtons with me pulling the trigger.
It ain't that hard to beat me.
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LOL, do you know what the Ignore option means? I can't see the fanboy crap you type anymore. School, books, and probably even College.
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Yet you posted after reading it. Your pathetic!
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