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Old 10-10-2017, 12:47 PM
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Default Proof God Exists (St. Thomas Aquinas)

Saw some discussions on another thread dealing with the existence of God. These five proofs were compiled by St. Thomas Aquinas, a 13th-century Catholic philosopher and theologian.

Argument from motion: Our senses prove that some things are in motion. Things move when potential motion becomes actual motion. Only an actual motion can convert a potential motion into an actual motion. Nothing can be at once in both actuality and potentiality in the same respect (i.e., if both actual and potential, it is actual in one respect and potential in another). Therefore nothing can move itself. Therefore each thing in motion is moved by something else. The sequence of motion cannot extend ad infinitum. Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other; and this everyone understands to be God.

The Argument from Efficient Cause: Because nothing can cause itself, everything must have a cause or something that creates an effect on an other thing. Without a first cause, there would be no others. Therefore, the First Cause is God.

The Argument from Necessary Being: Because objects in the world come into existence and pass out of it, it is possible for those objects to exist or not exist at any particular time. However, nothing can come from nothing. This means something must exist at all times. This is God.

The Argument from Gradation of Being: There is a gradation to be found in things: some are better or worse than others. Predications of degree require reference to the “uttermost” case (e.g., a thing is said to be hotter according as it more nearly resembles that which is hottest). The maximum in any genus is the cause of all in that genus. Therefore there must also be something which is to all beings the cause of their being, goodness, and every other perfection; and this we call God.

The Argument from Design: We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance. Most natural things lack knowledge. But as an arrow reaches its target because it is directed by an archer, what lacks intelligence achieves goals by being directed by something intelligence. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.
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The God of science is The Big Bang. It explains everything - except The Big Bang!
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The God of science is The Big Bang. It explains everything - except The Big Bang!
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The problem with evidentialism is that no one comes to the Father unless the Father draws them (John 6:44). Try presuppositionalism.
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The shortcomings of 13th century knowledge.
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Old 10-13-2017, 4:20 PM
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I think I will stick with Aquinas on this one. Presuppositionalism relies on the belief in Sola scriptura, which is a false doctrine.

Shortcomings of 13th century knowledge?? What does this mean in the context of the discussion?
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I think I will stick with Aquinas on this one. Presuppositionalism relies on the belief in Sola scriptura, which is a false doctrine.

Shortcomings of 13th century knowledge?? What does this mean in the context of the discussion?
So, what part of John 6:44 do you disagree with?
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No disagreement with 6:44. No disagreement with Aquinas. Much disagreement with Presuppositionalism.
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No disagreement with 6:44. No disagreement with Aquinas. Much disagreement with Presuppositionalism.
Roman Catholic I take it?
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Those five proofs are commonly taken out of context and never intended to be proof of God’s existence on their own.
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Those five proofs are commonly taken out of context and never intended to be proof of God’s existence on their own.
Very true FatCity67. I think it does demonstrate how reason can be used to prove the existence of God, but reason alone is certainly not the full picture.
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These statements do not take into account forces like gravity. To believe that all motion is derived from a first movement defies logic and what we know of natural law. I will put my faith in Newton before Aquinas.
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These statements do not take into account forces like gravity. To believe that all motion is derived from a first movement defies logic and what we know of natural law. I will put my faith in Newton before Aquinas.
As a fan of Isaac Newton, maybe these direct quotes from his writings will interest you:

This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent Being. [...] This Being governs all things, not as the soul of the world, but as Lord over all; and on account of his dominion he is wont to be called "Lord God" παντοκρατωρ [pantokratōr], or "Universal Ruler". [...] The Supreme God is a Being eternal, infinite, [and] absolutely perfect.

Opposition to godliness is atheism in profession and idolatry in practice. Atheism is so senseless and odious to mankind that it never had many professors.


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