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Old 04-07-2018, 1:04 AM
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uuugh leave it them to come up with this stuff but if this passes it will really sting.
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It seems to me that Democrat Rep. Gipson reads Calguns, and has gotten royally pi$$ed that we didn't roll over and give up with their last sets of edicts. Instead, he sees a community working to comply with the new laws, while continuing to enjoy their hobby and passion.

IMHO this is a bullies hissy fit; a heavy handed way to force the subjects into line.

Sorry, don't have a good idea how to fight this, except maybe subjecting the author to some Alinskyite tactic to freeze, isolate, marginalize, destroy, and remove him from power. And keep on doing that to the authors of these unconstitutional bills. Make them pay with their political careers for writing this junk.

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Again, sorry, but if you are a gun owner and vote Democrat, you are supporting a party that want's to criminalize you. If you want to help stop this constant barrage of ridicules draconian laws, stop supporting that out of control despotic organization.
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We are going to have a civil war. Are you prepared to fight? Or flee.
Flee where? “If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth.” - Ronald Reagan There's a saying, "As California goes, so goes the nation." If true, the Republic is at stake and we are on the front line of saving the entire nation.
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I said it once and I’ll keep saying it, CALIFORNIA IS LOST FOR GUN OWNERS.
We heard you the first time, Gavin. Now move along.
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Ok maybenot ALL but it sounds like most... I'm guessing it will be all...
Even if it's not all firearms parts online retailers will just abandon CA to avoid the hassle.

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There is no longer any doubt what their ultimate goal is.

First choke the supply of new firearms and ammunition, then remove existing firearms from civilian hands.

We need to plan with this in mind. We are not talking about so called "common sense gun" laws. We are talking about the elimination of firearms from our society.

That's why I'm not in the favor of registration. It only gives us a temporary reprieve until they get around to demanding that everyone turn them in.

We have to plan for the day when all firearms a declared illegal in California.
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So how will this affect air gun parts?

Many air rifles and air soft guns use the exact same parts as their firearm counterparts.
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I know this is a public forum so when I write this I do not do it lightly.

It's time we start dragging these traitors out of their homes and the capitol and put them on public trial. The constitution IS the supreme law of the land and if found guilty of treason for being a domestic enemy; the punishment should be to really tar & feather them. These are criminals who think they are above the law.

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So how will this affect air gun parts?

Many air rifles and air soft guns use the exact same parts as their firearm counterparts.
I figure black powder guns and parts will be on the block next.
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Folks will bring in gun parts like they already bring in ammo, fireworks, rat poison, meth, etc.
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Yes it it! For too long these tools have been whittling away at our rights and the 2nd Amendment with no consequences or fear of any. In another time and place they would have been forcibly removed from office, and charged with treason, or worse. The 2nd isn't the only issue here, either. They are running roughshod over us and the Federal Government.

They need to be dealt with, but nobody has the stomach for it...it will eventually result in the death of America as we know it. We are well on our way down that path.

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I know this is a public forum so when I write this I do not do it lightly.

It's time we start dragging these traitors out of their homes and the capitol and put them on public trial. The constitution IS the supreme law of the land and if found guilty of treason for being a domestic enemy; the punishment should be to really tar & feather them. These are criminals who think they are above the law.

We need more Samuel Addams and Thomas Paines...

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This blows. Better stock up on spare parts I guess.


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What is the time frame for this law to be passed??
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What is the time frame for this law to be passed??
It's a Gut and Amend job, so it will be active for this legislative session. It's currently awaiting amendments before it goes into committee review (scheduled for 17 April in "Public Safety"), but I wouldn't be shocked if they try and fast-track this one through the formalities if they believe they have the votes to pass it quickly (just like in 2016 when Gunmageddon happened). We need to try and kill it in committee if possible, so warm up your fax machines and telephones for the Assembly "Public Safety" Committee...

The monkeys are back from spring break in Sac, which is why there is a flurry of activity on the way. Last I read, there was at least a half dozen (or more) new laws being drafted to further prohibit the 2A in CA.
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Correct me if I am misunderstanding something. The feds run NICS checks for FIREARMS only. A barrel or a trigger etc is not a firearm per ATF. Are the feds gonna allow NICS checks to be run for non-firearms, or does the state plan on using just a state DOJ based background check?
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It's a Gut and Amend job, so it will be active for this legislative session. It's currently awaiting amendments before it goes into committee review (scheduled for 17 April in "Public Safety"), but I wouldn't be shocked if they try and fast-track this one through the formalities if they believe they have the votes to pass it quickly (just like in 2016 when Gunmageddon happened). We need to try and kill it in committee if possible, so warm up your fax machines and telephones for the Assembly "Public Safety" Committee...

The monkeys are back from spring break in Sac, which is why there is a flurry of activity on the way. Last I read, there was at least a half dozen (or more) new laws being drafted to further prohibit the 2A in CA.
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Ok maybenot ALL but it sounds like most... I'm guessing it will be all...

FPC has received mocked up language for AB 2382 (Gipson) which will amend the bill to institute Prop 63/SB 1235 style regulations on the sale and purchase of a number of gun parts (or as the language refers to them "Precursor Parts"

To Read more about this bill and to take action against it go to http://StopAB2382.com NOW!



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This is no surprise. Expect background checks for some parts and serialization, registration of detachable uppers.
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Correct me if I am misunderstanding something. The feds run NICS checks for FIREARMS only. A barrel or a trigger etc is not a firearm per ATF. Are the feds gonna allow NICS checks to be run for non-firearms, or does the state plan on using just a state DOJ based background check?
they are going to force NICS to run BG on people buying ammo, which is not a firearm either.

so that isn't going to stop them. if anything CA is going to spam the NICS computers so much with the forcing of BG checks on everything gun related.

i wouldn't be surprised if CA puts a law that will force gun ranges to run BG checks on every patron that walks in the door.
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they are going to force NICS to run BG on people buying ammo, which is not a firearm either.

so that isn't going to stop them. if anything CA is going to spam the NICS computers so much with the forcing of BG checks on everything gun related.

i wouldn't be surprised if CA puts a law that will force gun ranges to run BG checks on every patron that walks in the door.
How can the CA DOJ "force" the ATF to do anything? What legal standing do they have to do this?
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I know this is a public forum so when I write this I do not do it lightly.

It's time we start dragging these traitors out of their homes and the capitol and put them on public trial. The constitution IS the supreme law of the land and if found guilty of treason for being a domestic enemy; the punishment should be to really tar & feather them. These are criminals who think they are above the law.

We need more Samuel Addams and Thomas Paines...

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Amen. I would advise everyone who doesn't already have it to get the NRA app and starting to participate in that social group. They are farther down the road to acknowledging what we are headed into. Deep state + open warfare on 2A + more rumblings of national confiscation. On the trajectory we are headed, a hot civil war is less than a generation away.
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they are going to force NICS to run BG on people buying ammo, which is not a firearm either.

so that isn't going to stop them. if anything CA is going to spam the NICS computers so much with the forcing of BG checks on everything gun related.

I wouldn't be surprised if CA puts a law that will force gun ranges to run BG checks on every patron that walks in the door.
the gun ranges in New York City already requires background checks to use the range, and no handguns can be used unless your a licensed firearms owner or LE

the only firearms that can be rented in NYC without a license is a .22 rifle
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let's start a registry of journalists, bloggers, activists, talk show hosts etc.
with background checks.

tax stamps for certain types of speech.

with yearly renewal fees
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How can the CA DOJ "force" the ATF to do anything? What legal standing do they have to do this?
a state can't force the FBI (NICS) to do anything. This is the very reason that the ammo background checks that NY passed a few years back haven't been implemented yet. By law, NICS can't be used for anything other than guns.
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oh great, there goes my discretionary income for 2018. 2017 was for ammo. I thought I was going to be able to save this year.
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a state can't force the FBI (NICS) to do anything. This is the very reason that the ammo background checks that NY passed a few years back haven't been implemented yet. By law, NICS can't be used for anything other than guns.
Thanks. That's what I thought. Interesting to see how our ammo/BGC will play out next year.
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oh great, there goes my discretionary income for 2018. 2017 was for ammo. I thought I was going to be able to save this year.
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This shouldn't make me laugh, but it is so true

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they are going to force NICS to run BG on people buying ammo, which is not a firearm either.

so that isn't going to stop them. if anything CA is going to spam the NICS computers so much with the forcing of BG checks on everything gun related.

i wouldn't be surprised if CA puts a law that will force gun ranges to run BG checks on every patron that walks in the door.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't read anything about NICS. The last time I was in the thread about this, someone brought up the ammo background check being run through NICS as well, which isn't true (The first one, not the current one, apparently tried to do this and got shot down).

The current Ammo Background Check runs through California's AFS (Automated Firearm System). This California's own system which afaik cross references various state (and I think some federal) databases, checking if someone is 1.) An owner in the database and 2.) Not prohibited.

The new proposed preliminary draft amendments takes that Ammo Background Check law, and applies it to the aforementioned parts. There's nothing for the Feds to really deny.

Keep in mind that these draft papers aren't marked up very well, and they list a bunch of stuff that's already on the books as far as laws. NICS is mentioned in the drafts, but they aren't amending that afaik (correct me if I'm wrong), and it doesn't apply to the "precursor parts" background checks, which will be conducted via AFS.

Finally, the same rules concerning COE + FFL03 that apply for ammo background checks law also apply to the precursor parts background checks law, as far as I can tell.
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I would expect that the math formula for the cost of a single
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A fee of $20 will hurt retailers like Bass pro. Who will go into Bass pro to buy an accessory like a $13.49 speedloader by itself anymore?
If the local taxes is 9% and you have a $20 transaction fee too then the out the door cost for that $13.49 speedloader becomes $34.70. I guess people might try to group their ammo and precursor purchases together to reduce this new fee.

However if people have the self control to group purchases together they'll be more likely to wait for that trip over the state line to make that purchase. But I guess that's a goal, to put the California brick and mortar retailers out of the firearm business too.
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I would expect that the math formula for the cost of a single
personal firearms eligibility check would be similar or the same as a
firearms precursor parts eligibility check. So it would likely be at least $20.


A fee of $20 will hurt retailers like Bass pro. Who will go into Bass pro to buy an accessory like a $13.49 speedloader by itself anymore?
If the local taxes is 9% and you have a $20 transaction fee too then the out the door cost for that $13.49 speedloader becomes $34.70. I guess people might try to group their ammo and precursor purchases together to reduce this new fee.

However if people have the self control to group purchases together they'll be more likely to wait for that trip over the state line to make that purchase. But I guess that's a goal, to put the California brick and mortar retailers out of the firearm business too.
That's incorrect, as related to a retailer selling directly to a purchaser. The administrative fee is charged when two non-licensed parties want to transfer a part. This is the same as the ammunition background check law, when two non-licensed parties want to transfer ammunition. They can then go to a retailer, who will charge them an administrative fee for handling the transaction. This is similar to PPT for firearms.

The fee for a transaction between a brick and mortar store and a customer for a precursor firearm part is, just like for ammo, no more than $1 per transaction, and then can be increased based off the California Consumer Price Index (inflation I guess?) in the future.

That's how I read it anyway.

Edit: I don't feel like citing sources because my head hurts for some reason today, but search for the section you quoted, and you'll see that above that it relates to unlicensed parties. Then search for "$1", you'll skip through the $1,000 results and come to the one where it talks about DoJ recovering costs by charging the up-to-$1-per-transaction fee. This is in the second draft.

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... Finally, the same rules concerning COE + FFL03 that apply for ammo background checks law also apply to the precursor parts background checks law, as far as I can tell.

This would cement my decision to fork over the cash for the COE. Hopefully online retailers will deal with the CA BS shenanigans.
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yeah, as best as I can tell, by just kinda reading over this thing (I'm not going to do a more comprehensive reading until this is submitted), it's basically copying the ammunition background check laws wholesale, then cutting out the terms for ammunition and pasting in "all this other firearm stuff because we're authoritarian *******s".

I have other thoughts but I'm not going to share them at the moment. I will say that this does seem to be one piece of a construction of a future larger regulatory scheme to funnel firearm enthusiasts into one area, and then perhaps pull the rug out from under them in the future. Basically funneling us into a regulatory/legislative gas chamber so to speak. Gipson (not even getting into the others) is a demonstrated Authoritarian, and this will not be the last law he attempts to pass.

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Jesus, where does it end....I am literally awestruck that I won’t be able to shop online anymore to customize or update my firearms. This may just be the last straw for me, I’m about ready to move across the state line and work at mcdonalds just to get out of this state...
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At what point does a citizenry vote with the cartridge box?

There's too much at stake and too fine a line between "too early" and "too late".
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At what point does a citizenry vote with the cartridge box?

There's too much at stake and too fine a line between "too early" and "too late".

California gun owners will do nothing.
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California going after more potential tax dollars at the expense of our freedoms.
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California gun owners will do nothing.
Correct. Prop 63 was evidence enough. California gun owners could not care less about the removal of their 2A rights.
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Correct. Prop 63 was evidence enough. California gun owners could not care less about the removal of their 2A rights.
The thing too is how would anyone organize a movement to change this? With all the big brother things they would stop it before it happened.
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