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Devils advocate: Tell me the last time someone killed 50+ people in short order with a kitchen knife.
Largest School killing in US history.. no gun needed (44 dead):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

29 dead in mass stabbing

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367

8 kids killed in mass school stabbing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

31 killed in mass stabbing (China)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack

86 people killed with a rented truck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_attack

Should I go on? Only an fool thinks guns are the sole way to kill lots of people..

Hell, all you need is some fertilizer and the will:

168 people killed using common, easy to find items..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
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Freedom is about choice, not about need.
Why does anyone NEED an alcoholic drink? If we banned alcohol maybe we could save some of the 28 people killed every day by drunk drivers?

Why does anyone NEED a car that can go faster than 70 mph? Maybe we should install speed governors on all cars

Why does anyone NEED a knife with a point.. maybe we should mandate all knifes have rounded tips

There are many of our freedoms that are not "needed".. but guns are a part of our Bill of RIGHTS and not our Bill of NEEDS..
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Not to mention - 5 killed, 264 injured by a device made from a kitchen appliance, fireworks, and a toy r/c car.

Would that same device set off in the middle of the vegas concert not have had similar results to the killer's rifles?

At least people had a chance to flee after they started hearing gunfire. You can't flee a bomb. When it goes off, you're immediately dead or injured before you even realize something happened.

And if the easier to obtain weapon (the AR-15) goes away, guess what killers will start using instead...

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There were going to be hearing today on this bill un abel to find any info .have anyone herd any news !!
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Why does anyone NEED an alcoholic drink? If we banned alcohol maybe we could save some of the 28 people killed every day by drunk drivers?

Why does anyone NEED a car that can go faster than 70 mph? Maybe we should install speed governors on all cars
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NO NO NO! You don't have to ban alcohol or install governors, all you have to do is ban high capacity gas clips. After all, no one needs more than 10 gallons of gas in their car.
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There were going to be hearing today on this bill un abel to find any info .have anyone herd any news !!
Bill passed 5-2 and moves on to the appropriations committee

04/24/18
(PASS) Asm Public Safety 5 2 0 Do pass and be re-referred to the Committee on [Appropriations]
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I'm not saying some one should find out where these tyrants live. And of course I'm not saying they need to be removed, tar and feathered then tied to a post...

But if that were to happen; it would send a clear message to the rest.....



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The Ca. Democrats have morphed into the New Democrat Prog./Communist Party

They will play it out here just like the original Bolsheviks did in 1917 Russia by using the "Cheka" their secret political police, and all the other tools of a leftist dictatorship.

And just as the National Socialist Nazi bastards did in the 30's. With their Gestapo and the SS. Etc.

Its quite clear IMO if we want to live under the Constitution and have the rule of law we will have to leave the state.

That's my idea and plan anyway.

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The Senate Appropriations Committee will have no problem figuring out how to fund this by just tacking on a some fee related to the background checks.

This will probably make it all the way to Brown's desk, and he really has no reason not to sign it, or just let it become law.
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The Senate Appropriations Committee will have no problem figuring out how to fund this by just tacking on a some fee related to the background checks.

This will probably make it all the way to Brown's desk, and he really has no reason not to sign it, or just let it become law.
$1 tax per item, it's in the bill already.

But (specifically because it includes a new tax) the bill needs 2/3 vote to pass, so don't give up hope yet. The Dems don't have 2/3 majority in either house right now, and they won't before the deadline for this bill to pass in the Assembly lapses.
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Dont bother trying to guess what will happen, it will pass.

And as usual, in the end we Calgunners will comply.
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Dont bother trying to guess what will happen, it will pass.

And as usual, in the end we Calgunners will comply.
Bills with much better odds of passing than this one, have failed.

Look at last year's SB-497 (1-in-30 for all guns). It was well on the way to passage, it had been voted through the whole Senate, and was happily making its way through the Assembly without much opposition, then BAM... suddenly killed off without warning.

That bill only needed 50% to pass.

It got 63%.

It still didn't pass.



Don't know why some of you guys are always so quick to throw your hands up in the air. Just because a bill is anti-2a doesn't automatically mean it will pass.

3 anti-gun bills failed last year. The one I mentioned, another one that got vetoed, and a 3rd one that died in committee.
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Thanks ds272 for the updated info !! time to buy spare parts
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sounds like you would have to go through an FFL to buy a 10 round magazine or a recoil spring , trigger spring, etc

that means no more cheap parts from ebay
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that means no more cheap parts from ebay
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$1 tax per item, it's in the bill already.

But (specifically because it includes a new tax) the bill needs 2/3 vote to pass, so don't give up hope yet. The Dems don't have 2/3 majority in either house right now, and they won't before the deadline for this bill to pass in the Assembly lapses.
Ah, very good! Let's hope it fails.

. . . .though hope is not a plan, it's what we have to work with right now!


$1 per item could get expensive. So if I wanted to buy 20 stripper clips for an SKS, would the tax really be $20?
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Ah, very good! Let's hope it fails.

. . . .though hope is not a plan, it's what we have to work with right now!


$1 per item could get expensive. So if I wanted to buy 20 stripper clips for an SKS, would the tax really be $20?
The bill says "per transaction", so I would guess that means $1 total for however many things you buy all at once.

The best way to help this bill fail is to write & call to the Assembly members who may be on the fence, and urge them to vote no.
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Bills with much Don't know why some of you guys are always so quick to throw your hands up in the air. Just because a bill is anti-2a doesn't automatically mean it will pass.

3 anti-gun bills failed last year. The one I mentioned, another one that got vetoed, and a 3rd one that died in committee.
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Seems to me as we’re being “Infringed” upon. It’s about high time someone did something.
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Why does anyone NEED an alcoholic drink? If we banned alcohol maybe we could save some of the 28 people killed every day by drunk drivers?

Why does anyone NEED a car that can go faster than 70 mph? Maybe we should install speed governors on all cars

Why does anyone NEED a knife with a point.. maybe we should mandate all knifes have rounded tips

There are many of our freedoms that are not "needed".. but guns are a part of our Bill of RIGHTS and not our Bill of NEEDS..
Add Cell phones. Texting And Driving Kills More Teens Annually Than Drinking And Driving.
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I don’t know which is worse,the bill itself or reading about here.
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Well don't look to the 40s and up crowd, bunch of weak mother ****ers. It's because of them we are in this situation. Figures the greatest generation had to be followed by the worst. We shouldn't call them baby boomers, at least in happy in 1000 years history books will remember them as the generation that killed America.
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Well don't look to the 40s and up crowd, bunch of weak mother ****ers. It's because of them we are in this situation. Figures the greatest generation had to be followed by the worst. We shouldn't call them baby boomers, at least in happy in 1000 years history books will remember them as the generation that killed America.
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Well don't look to the 40s and up crowd, bunch of weak mother ****ers. It's because of them we are in this situation. Figures the greatest generation had to be followed by the worst. We shouldn't call them baby boomers, at least in happy in 1000 years history books will remember them as the generation that killed America.
Let's hear the resume of what you've done.. lol.. most likely the typical all talk no anything internet waste of space..
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Well don't look to the 40s and up crowd, bunch of weak mother ****ers. It's because of them we are in this situation. Figures the greatest generation had to be followed by the worst. We shouldn't call them baby boomers, at least in happy in 1000 years history books will remember them as the generation that killed America.


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I agree with him for the most part except I blame the so called greatest generation as well. Everything the boomers failed at, mostly everything except growing the power of the state at the expense of liberty, was started by their parents.

If my generation and our children can save the republic it will be I spite of the boomers rather than thanks to them. It is because of the boomers and their seemingly inherent left leaning tendencies that we have gotten to the point of needing a new civil war to purge the democrats.

If I have to see another fat *** old man in camo pants and a III% t-shirt who hasn’t seen his own dick since the carter administration I may actually cry.

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Come on, it's dumb to blame anyone for being part of any given generation, just as dumb as it is to blame them for being born into any other group of people. This is a lame argument. Obviously, whatever generation you are, you're here on calguns and you support gun rights so that's all that matters.

Any millennial that's here should be celebrated for bucking the trend, not insulted for the year they were born in. Likewise, I sincerely doubt anyone on calguns from other generations is responsible for ruining America. Dumb arguments that aren't going to go anywhere, can we get back on topic?
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Well don't look to the 40s and up crowd, bunch of weak mother ****ers. It's because of them we are in this situation. Figures the greatest generation had to be followed by the worst. We shouldn't call them baby boomers, at least in happy in 1000 years history books will remember them as the generation that killed America.
The main player is probably not the forty somethings, but public educayshun and illegal immigrants more likely played a larger role in what you are describing. My pops in an oakland school belonged to the shooting club
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Scary, but probably true.

That would be the straw that would drive me out of the state. Moving would be the only way to find all the parts I have long forgotten about. I found two old WWII Mauser actions I had long forgotten about last week.
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The main player is probably not the forty somethings, but public educayshun and illegal immigrants more likely played a larger role in what you are describing. My pops in an oakland school belonged to the shooting club
And my dad used to walk down irrigation ditches on Mooney blvd in Visalia with a single shot .22 hunting rabbits and no one thought it odd.
Doesn’t change the fact that when they grew up they voted for men like Reagan-who amnestied illegals and banned guns.
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Even the way the phrase the legislation is bias. Pre-curser gun parts, like pre-curser WMD components, or pre-curser meth ingredients.
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You have two problems with any anti-gun bill and that is what the bill actually says and what the CADOJ says it means and will enforce based on their interpretation and that may not have much if anything in common with what the bill intended. as for generations the baby boomers who served during the Viet Nam period were abandoned by this country when all they did was what the draft and the country said they wanted done. we followed the greatest generation to ever grace this country and won WWII. When we came home we were baby killers not worthy of jobs or anything if you listened to the protesters. we survived and now this country has no chance without us because we knew what it was like to put our lives on the line and be betrayed. Many of us are still on the streets with issues because we could never trust the society that put us there and is spearheading this anti-gun debacle namely the sons and daughters spawned by those anti-war demonstrators of the Viet Nam war. Now you have to face your own kids and fight them to retain your rights. we might be aging but we can still fight even with gray hair and pot bellies. That is more than I can say for most of the people who are whining about losing a right and will argue this to death but not put their lives and wealth on the line to save those rights. those in power do not intend on listening to you until you prove to them that you have the ability to end their existence if you have to in order to keep your rights. You do not do that without weapons equal to theirs.
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Well don't look to the 40s and up crowd, bunch of weak mother ****ers. It's because of them we are in this situation. Figures the greatest generation had to be followed by the worst. We shouldn't call them baby boomers, at least in happy in 1000 years history books will remember them as the generation that killed America.

Much like those on Calguns who condemn all le with their broad brush statements as a result of one or a few leos who do bad, you have done the same with yours. Condemning a whole generation, of which I and many members here belong to, is illogical, petulant and very insulting.

Explain how my whole generation is responsible for the Democrats in our state legislature in their attempts to outlaw firearms and everything related to it. I, and I would surmise most, if not all members, in addition to hundreds of thousands others did not vote for these left wing legislators.

The fact those same Democrats don't have the guts and honesty to just come out and state their ultimate goal is for another thread.
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Let's ban political donations - it's a precursor to bribery, after all.
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Thankfully there is a huge chance I will be gone come August or sooner...**** this state. It's a lost cause.
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I said it once and I’ll keep saying it, CALIFORNIA IS LOST FOR GUN OWNERS.
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He's right. This state is finished.
Their strategy is working very well.... peel them off one at a time. But I know how you guys are feeling..... I will still call and write. If nothing else, to disturb thier peace.


This crap sucks big blue monkey .........ugggghh.
I need a parts warehouse now.
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Their strategy is working very well.... peel them off one at a time. But I know how you guys are feeling..... I will still call and write. If nothing else, to disturb thier peace.


This crap sucks big blue monkey .........ugggghh.
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no need for a parts warehouse.

CA doesn't want security at the borders, and apparently that also extends to the borders with the other states.
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Proof we can all comment on whatever we want if it's at all related to the topic at hand!
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