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What are your thoughts on this homemade shotgun cal gunners
I came across this on a social website and the man who made this gave me permission to post it here for discussion as he too is a gun owner and a California resident. He feels this weapon violates no state or federal laws.
Photos of the weapon: http://imgur.com/a/2PHdj The original discussion: http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comment...emade_shotgun/ |
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Shotguns must have a barrel length of 18" Its a single shot smooth bore pistol which is an AOW. Thats my opinion on it.
Its not a zip gun as defined by CA law. Its legal to make your own firearms, you just can't be an (the) Importer of the parts, a licensed manufacture and pay no tax and you must make it for personal use to be exempt from taxes. I think its illegal because I believe its an unregistered AOW. If he added a stock and made sure the barrel was 18", its a legal Shotgun. IMHO |
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My dad lost the tip of his left index finger when he was a kid doing something similar. Not good.
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I think it's a zip gun becouse of this taken from a subsection of PC 12020 defining a "zip gun" (B)It was not originally designed to be a firearm by a manufacturer licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
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The fact that he hasn't fired it shows that he has no interest in building a working shotgun to so that he can have a shotgun. Instead the rest of his post goes on to make it sound as though he is building a working shotgun because he can, it's easy, and it's legal to do so (provided he follows barrel length and minimum length laws).
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It will go bang and not in a good way
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Crazy tweeker. A monkey can make this.
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"BAN THE CAULK!"
Feminist would sign that petition... It does indeed have a Fire Control Group, so if it has a 18" barrel, and an OAL of like 26" then it might be legal, and not classified as a ZIP-gun... Quote:
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It will probably work just fine, but to use such crappy material as a chalking gun is laughable.
Build a slam fire 12 ga with a grip. Easier time removing the spent hulls too.
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I just looked up the definition of zip gun from the 2005 AG pdf on firearms. I believe that THIS is a zip gun. Do I need to keep looking? No. I DOUBT that it has gotten LESS restrictive. This gun DOES NOT FOLLOW ANY COMMERCIAL FIREARM. It is NOT the same as an 80% AR or a home made AK type. THOSE follow plans and general rules. This is just put together and I would not touch it. Keep it hidden if need be but I am going to guess that only a felon would make such a device and then try to feel good about it. Delete the pics, delete the webpage, delete it all and bury this project. If you continue to work on it then do so in secret. Do not go putting it on the web since it is exposure here and now any tech savy LEO can get come after this guy if they want to and follow the proper procedure (which I will not post so piss off and do your own homework). Am I wrong? Over a SHOTGUN? Jeeze, just go and buy one, they are cheap enough. Oh wait, you can't? I wonder why... Guess what folks, I made silencers for my .22 bolt action Remington 581S, AR-7, and Ruger MK-II. I made them out of PVC (just to show that I could do it) and enjoyed playing with them and it was all fun and games until that one day in 2001 when I got popped for a FAKE webpage and it BSed and blossomed into a multi-agency party at my place. As soon as I got out on bail (yeah I got 5 days of street cred, *****ez...) I did an inventory check and found my Daewoo DR-200, Mossberg 590, Cobray CM-11 (with 8" upper receiver and carbine upper that came with it) and Norinco Model B Uzi in 9mm that I had the metal folding stock on and an 11" barrel that I got from Tapco. I took all of them minus the Mossberg to Vegas the following week and sold them all off at the gun show to various dealers. I REALLY wish that I did not sell the metal 120rnd drum for the daewoo since it was an AR type of platform with AR mags, but damn anyways. I think like a LEO all the time when it comes to my future and others and they ask for opinions. I feel solid that my home made AK pistol is NOT a zip gun, but this post is about a zip gun at least by CA standards and can get someone into a lot of trouble. Sorry if the words "ZIP GUN" offend anyone...
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that is stupid. it would maby be cool if it didnt look like a blind retard made it
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Its not a Zip gun. You need to read the law and apply what it says. Verbatim. You can't add in your own words. You can't subtract any words. Quote:
a Zip guns needs to be A-a device not legally imported as a firearm. Nope that doesnt apply all the items were bought locally. B- Not designed to be a firearm, Nope that doesnt apply, it was designed to be a firearm from the start. C- No taxes paid by a Licensed Manufacture or no exemption given, that doesnt apply. The manufacturer is a private person who is given an exemption from paying taxes as long as they do not make a business of manufacturing firearms. D- Fires a projectile by force of explsion, Yes it does that. 1 out of 4 doesn't equal ... all of the following criteria;" as the law states. |
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Homemade firearms are 100% legal. You must violate tax laws, licensing laws and BATFE manufacturing laws to create a "zip gun".
There is no law against making a firearm for your own use. There are other laws which punish idiots who hurt themselves doing it, but that not what I was commenting on. You can manufacture a firearm which violate other firearm laws if you are not careful. As long as your homemade firearm doesn't violate BATFE or State laws, its neither a zip gun or an illegal unregistered (non-taxed) firearm. Its no different then when people say its illegal to own "switch blades". Why do they say this? Because they were told this by someone and they never really looked it up. They don't realize there is a legal avenue to get them. I own dozens of them. I have no permit, no license, I am just a regular guy. They are all legally owned. |
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You are 100% guilty of that. You said it was a zip gun because of only (B) in that section of the PC when it clearly states that all of the criteria must be met. Meaning A, B, C, and D.
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Start with D... It fires a projectile. That makes it a gun as far as California is concerned. Said existing gun a) was not imported by a Type 8 FFL licensed importer as a gun. Said gun is not based on a pre-existing design by a Type 7 FFL licensed manufacturer. (Sorry, but this is how b. is interpreted. If you can find me the POS Caulk gun shotgun by a licensed 07 FFL that he based his design on, then maybe you have an argument... But I would bet money no such gun exists. ) C. No tax was paid. Answer= ITS A ZIP GUN in California. Other states, that might be legal, but not CA. You can manufacture your own firearm for personal use under ATF Rules... BUT... IN CALIFORNIA, it has to be based on a PREEXISTING DESIGN from a licensed manufacturer .... Or, its a zip gun.
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