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Old 12-15-2017, 6:32 AM
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I still don't see why this hasn't been put on hold pending a lawsuit outcome, California has ZERO authority to regulate interstate commerce.


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No retailer, legit ammo seller is going to send ammo to CA, UPS is not going to shop for ammo for you. If you had a buddy in another state buy ammo for you and ship it to you through UPS I guess they would have no way of knowing what was being shipped and most likely deliver it to your door. But it only takes getting caught once, not sure what the outcome of that would be.
It's an infraction for the Californian.
CA can not criminally charge the out of state vendor.
There is no criminal or civil liability for the shipper.
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I know a guy that had his dad sending him his pot (unlicensed midical) through the mail (USPS) . the post office caught it somewhere down the line (dogs or something maybe). But he got a letter in the mail stating that the post office has intercepted a package addressed to him and from who it was shipped. They stated that the package is suspected of containing a controlled substance and if he wanted the package he would have to come pick it up and claim it. The post office did not open the package but stated that if this is not your package you did not have to do anything and the package would be opened in 30 days and the contents destroyed if it was indeed what they suspected, I believe. Basically caught it in route but were not going to prosecute anyone but he was just not going to get his package. I am thinking maybe it would be the same type situation with ammo. Not going to test it out.
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No retailer, legit ammo seller is going to send ammo to CA, UPS is not going to shop for ammo for you. If you had a buddy in another state buy ammo for you and ship it to you through UPS I guess they would have no way of knowing what was being shipped and most likely deliver it to your door. But it only takes getting caught once, not sure what the outcome of that would be.
Not exactly true, there are exemptions to the law and some of the big ammo retailers have already stated that they will continue to ship to those in CA who are exempt.
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I know a guy that had his dad sending him his pot (unlicensed midical) through the mail (USPS) . the post office caught it somewhere down the line (dogs or something maybe). But he got a letter in the mail stating that the post office has intercepted a package addressed to him and from who it was shipped. They stated that the package is suspected of containing a controlled substance and if he wanted the package he would have to come pick it up and claim it. The post office did not open the package but stated that if this is not your package you did not have to do anything and the package would be opened in 30 days and the contents destroyed if it was indeed what they suspected, I believe. Basically caught it in route but were not going to prosecute anyone but he was just not going to get his package. I am thinking maybe it would be the same type situation with ammo. Not going to test it out.
And guess what the postal inspector (federal law enforcement agents) would be doing when you showed up to claim your package?
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So did you go get your pot?
Lol, I have not touched the stuff since I was a teen. But no, he did not.
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Lol, I have not touched the stuff since I was a teen. But no, he did not.
The difference is, pot is contraband.
Even though it may be legal medically, it is still (and will remain) illegal to ship USPS... or to ship across state lines.

Ammunition is not contraband. MOST residents will not be legally eligible to receive a shipment, but many thousands will be, in addition to FFLs and licensed ammunition dealers.

There would be no reason for any shipper to delay or block any ammo shipment.
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So, does the "postmark"/shipping date matter as in something ordered/ shipped 12/31 not being allowed into California?
I ask because Target Sports gave a 12/25 deadline for orders and since they held my last order for a week before shipping I am wondering if they get it on the Fedex truck 12/31/17 is it GTG for California?
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One issue is that Cabelas for instance will not ship bullets nor brass. Other online vendors will.

I predict those will be banned by California for online purchases some day soon.

Bullet casting will become popular. Brass will become more available in local brick and mortar stores. Low power loads that extends brass life will become popular, magnum calibers will lose popularity.

Action types that are less choosy over ammunition being exactly to spec (bolt action rifles, revolvers) will be more popular than they are now.
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So, does the "postmark"/shipping date matter as in something ordered/ shipped 12/31 not being allowed into California?
I ask because Target Sports gave a 12/25 deadline for orders and since they held my last order for a week before shipping I am wondering if they get it on the Fedex truck 12/31/17 is it GTG for California?
That seems like a late cutoff for Target Sports, it seems like they don't ship until they have a full trailer load, and especially late with them being in CT. Even if it shipped 12/26, I don't see it getting to CA before the new year, unless shipped overnight or 2nd day air.
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That seems like a late cutoff for Target Sports, it seems like they don't ship until they have a full trailer load, and especially late with them being in CT. Even if it shipped 12/26, I don't see it getting to CA before the new year, unless shipped overnight or 2nd day air.
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Maybe someone will post if they do get a shipment after 01-01-2018, and provide safe of fail details.
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Does anyone know what Ca. can do to an out of state shipper for sending ammo into Ca? Could'nt they just tell Ca. to "Suck it"!
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Does anyone know what Ca. can do to an out of state shipper for sending ammo into Ca? Could'nt they just tell Ca. to "Suck it"!
Yeah, that worked out great for Exile Machine and others when they were sending in mag rebuild kits

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Title says it all, and I did a quick search of UPS and FedEx's websites and didn't see anything. Maybe I'll call one of them next week, but I was wondering if anyone has heard anything from them directly.
For example: If you buy ammo on 12/30/17 from the Midwest or back East and have a scheduled delivery date of 1/5/18, what will happen?
No one will ship to you, lah

Just celebrate the next few days, then find a "fair & balanced" FFL to handle your ammo deliveries.

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One issue is that Cabelas for instance will not ship bullets nor brass. Other online vendors will.

I predict those will be banned by California for online purchases some day soon.

Bullet casting will become popular. Brass will become more available in local brick and mortar stores. Low power loads that extends brass life will become popular, magnum calibers will lose popularity.

Action types that are less choosy over ammunition being exactly to spec (bolt action rifles, revolvers) will be more popular than they are now.
Cabela's is still shipping powder, I received a recent powder order today. No indication of restrictions when ordering.

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OP is a type of guy that calls the ATF asking if its legal to shoulder a brace.
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Fedex and UPS do not enforce laws. Nothing good will come from calling them. No ammo supplier is going to send ammo to CA on 12/30 unless the buyer is exempt from the new law, much less take a new order on 12/30. Most ammo vendors have established a cutoff of mid December.
And TSUSA still hasn't shipped my order that was placed 3 weeks ago.
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No one will ship to you, lah

Just celebrate the next few days, then find a "fair & balanced" FFL to handle your ammo deliveries.

Mine shipped from Targetsportsusa on the 29th (ordered on the 22nd) and will arrive on 5 Jan.
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My Target Sports order is in Tracy so I guess since its now in California, I'm home free.
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I have a question is it legal for someone to send me ammo after new law. Curious cuz I had a relative send me some .357 hollows as a Christmas gift and got me thinking if that would still be ok after the 1st??
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I have a question is it legal for someone to send me ammo after new law. Curious cuz I had a relative send me some .357 hollows as a Christmas gift and got me thinking if that would still be ok after the 1st??
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