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Old 12-02-2017, 8:14 PM
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Default Do you think UPS or FedEx will delivery ammo to CA consumers directly after 1/1/2018?

Title says it all, and I did a quick search of UPS and FedEx's websites and didn't see anything. Maybe I'll call one of them next week, but I was wondering if anyone has heard anything from them directly.
For example: If you buy ammo on 12/30/17 from the Midwest or back East and have a scheduled delivery date of 1/5/18, what will happen?

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Fedex and UPS do not enforce laws. Nothing good will come from calling them. No ammo supplier is going to send ammo to CA on 12/30 unless the buyer is exempt from the new law, much less take a new order on 12/30. Most ammo vendors have established a cutoff of mid December.

If you have any plans to stock up, today is the day to do it. Right now. Do not wait until 12/30, because if you are not exempt no one is taking the order in late December.
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Old 12-02-2017, 8:46 PM
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I think most people know that UPS and FedEx don't enforce laws. I was wondering if they would hold the ammo until an ffl address was provided? or just return the ammo to the vendor?

I'm not worried about how much ammo I have, and I peaked in my buying before last November. I'm about to make my last ammo buy, 45 colt, for the ammo and brass, so I was just curious.
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Old 12-02-2017, 8:51 PM
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How would they know whether or not the recipient has an FFL?
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How would they know it's ammo? ORMD could be powder or a combination of powder and pills.
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They will deliver it as they do all packages.
They won't hold it or return it.
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How would they know it's ammo? ORMD could be powder or a combination of powder and pills.
Or spray paint, hair spray, cologne, even perfume, or any of another thousand items that are haz-mat and must be shipped ground.
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I think most people know that UPS and FedEx don't enforce laws. I was wondering if they would hold the ammo until an ffl address was provided? or just return the ammo to the vendor?.
Why would they hold anything? Why all this new worry?

Fedex and UPS will do what they always do: deliver packages. I receive handguns that have been repaired or customized, and C&R long guns I buy from in state sellers - all the time, at my house. Fedex or UPS or even USPS for that matter has no idea if I am an FFL or not. The sellers make no extra effort to insure that the carriers know one way or the other.

The carriers just deliver packages to the address on the label. Like the Terminator. They will not stop, ever. There are exemptions to the law that allow ammo to be shipped into CA, same as firearms. Fedex or UPS will not get involved in the nuances.

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The issue is not if they will deliver but what retailer will risk shipping.


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The issue is not if they will deliver but what retailer will risk shipping.


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They will deliver it as they do all packages.
They won't hold it or return it.
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Title says it all, and I did a quick search of UPS and FedEx's websites and didn't see anything. Maybe I'll call one of them next week, but I was wondering if anyone has heard anything from them directly.
I suggest not calling them. You might give them ideas.
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Or your Nevada pen pal forwarding an order!
doesn't get you around the sticker requirement that shows it is ammo that is being shipped
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doesn't get you around the sticker requirement that shows it is ammo that is being shipped
What sticker? ORM-D? That's the only sticker I've seen on over boxed shipments and could be any number of items.

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They will deliver,but most of the online retailers set their own deadlines for ammo shipments to California.Just got e-mail from SG Ammo, they will not ship it after 12/21 unless you have a license.
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They will deliver,but most of the online retailers set their own deadlines for ammo shipments to California.Just got e-mail from SG Ammo, they will not ship it after 12/21 unless you have a license.
What he said.

It's on the ammo vendor, not the vendor they contract to ship the ammo.
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Old 12-11-2017, 8:11 AM
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it almost seems like some people wait until the last day just for the thrill of getting something before it's too late?
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it almost seems like some people wait until the last day just for the thrill of getting something before it's too late?
Or so they can cry about being oppressed when they miss out and haven't taken the simple steps needed to become exempt and find out who will still ship to exempt persons.
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there are plenty of other consumer products that are freely available in the normal United Stated but banned in California. FedEx is not in the business of enforcing all those CA bans.
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What sticker? ORM-D? That's the only sticker I've seen on over boxed shipments and could be any number of items.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORM-D
This. Surprised c323 doesn't understand this. OP supposes the carriers absolutely know what's in every package, which isn't the case.
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What sticker? ORM-D? That's the only sticker I've seen on over boxed shipments and could be any number of items.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORM-D
ORM-D stickers on my received packages (shipping box, not the product box) usually have the words "cartridges, small arms."
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I've always asked for them to be overboxed, so they've been plain labels.

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ORM-D stickers on my received packages (shipping box, not the product box) usually have the words "cartridges, small arms."
You can often request "discreet packaging" for ammo as well as other items.

Sometimes it's a good idea....

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ORM-D stickers on my received packages (shipping box, not the product box) usually have the words "cartridges, small arms."
The new standard is a symbol only. It should be pretty well phased in by now, if not required. Of course some vendors aren't up to speed and use the old style sticker. And of course the mfg boxes that sometimes ship are obvious because the contents are listed.

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Non issue. Most online vendors won't ship after a certain date. SGAmmo sent me a notice that the last day they will ship to California is the 21st.

Got my last orders in last week.
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Natchez and several others are saying they won't ship to calif. after about Dec. 20. Stop looking for angles and stock up.
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Just came back to this thread, and there were some informative posts.
I received my last ammo purchase from an online vendor about a week ago.

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What?...ordering ammo?

Why aren't you reloading?
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What?...ordering ammo?

Why aren't you reloading?
Who bothers to reload 9mm, .22lr, 7.62X39, or even .45ACP?
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Who bothers to reload 9mm, .22lr, 7.62X39, or even .45ACP?
Lots of people reload .45 and 9mm; 7.62 and .22lr is way too cheap for someone to not have a huge stockpile already.

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You can often request "discreet packaging" for ammo as well as other items.

Sometimes it's a good idea....

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Natchez and several others are saying they won't ship to calif. after about Dec. 20. Stop looking for angles and stock up.
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What?...ordering ammo?

Why aren't you reloading?
These questions were already pretty much answered in one of my previous posts, over a week ago, when I said I was buying ammo for the "ammo and brass". I recently bought a rifle chambered in a caliber that I haven't used before.

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They've always delivered my drugs sent from my dealer so I don't see why not.
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"Do you think UPS or FedEx will delivery ammo to CA consumers directly after 1/1/2018?"

Why wouldn't they? They have delivered many firearms to my home over the years and they have no way of knowing if I have a FFL. There are many exemptions to the new ammo law and they have no way of knowing if you are exempt or not.
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I still don't see why this hasn't been put on hold pending a lawsuit outcome, California has ZERO authority to regulate interstate commerce.
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I got several emails today advising that no orders after 12-18-17 would be shipped directly.

CALIFORNIA! New CA laws against ammo shipping to your home or work will be inflicted first of next year. Not a "scare" tactic, it's just what's on the way, look it up. The last CA ammo order we'll take to get it to you in time for the end o' the year is Dec. 18th. Last time this was tried by your state was in early 2011 (AB-962, look it up), and you were saved at the last minute by a judge striking it down. We all hope for this again, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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No retailer, legit ammo seller is going to send ammo to CA, UPS is not going to shop for ammo for you. If you had a buddy in another state buy ammo for you and ship it to you through UPS I guess they would have no way of knowing what was being shipped and most likely deliver it to your door. But it only takes getting caught once, not sure what the outcome of that would be.
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