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They're certainly a better option regarding 2a than voting for dems in CA, and it's not like the republican party in CA is best buddies with us at all times regarding 2a either.
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So OP, what makes you think you are "progressive"? What defines a "progressive" in your mind? A lot of people use terms to describe themselves but actually aren't accurate sometimes.
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Changed my mind...
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It doesn't matter how much somebody loves guns if they continually nominate, donate, and for vote for candidates who want to ban guns. Do I vote taxes, or guns, or social issues, or the environment? Like many here I'm economically conservative and socially liberal. We don't have a viable option that matches our beliefs so we hold out noses and prioritize our issues on election day. Not that it matters as my representative will be whatever progressive the local machine supports. I voted for Gary Johnson knowing it didn't matter. I welcome your effort. We'll never win if we stay in an echo chamber. Until we can move the needle on election day we're stuck with fighting in court.
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That's a pretty broad question. And labels are just that, labels. I identify as a "progressive" simply because it's the easiest way to discern me from a "conservative". On the hot button issues (with the exception of 2A) I side mostly with the Democratic Plank.
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That wasn't a rebuttal, it was a threat!
Translation: Minimum of personal attacks or back and forth = thread stays open. If not, thread is doomed!
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Understood.
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A progressive would be more like an atheist who goes around filing lawsuits against christian symbols of america's heritage because it doesn't fit their view. Or say someone who doesn't believe in free market capitalism and agitates to have policies or law changed to have employees sit on a board of directors and have binding decisions in how the company operates and uses its capital. The main idea of a progressive is there is a need to change (read "progress") society away from its norms and culture to something they see fit. Progressives in the late 1800's, early 1900's were responsible for promoting the science of eugenics, which led to modern day racism. Things like there are superior genetics in certain races and to improve the human lot, laws should be changed to make sure humans progress. So laws against marrying other races, mentally handicapped or mentally ill should not be allowed to procreate, and marrying within your own social class encouraged. Hitler and his superior race all born out of progressivism. You know the end result of that. I bring that up because "progressive" isn't necessarily a good thing. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't agree with that and its pretty indefensible. Marxism and socialism are progressive too. Progressive covers a lot of territory, but basically trying to change society. And I agree, labels and pigeon holing are not accurate, humans vary in too many ways to absolutely quantify politically.
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^^^The above is just an opinion. NRA Patron Member CRPA 5 yr Member "...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas Jefferson |
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OP, I'm a liberal gun rights advocate. I'm an old school liberal. Not the controlling Democrats of today. To bad we are all lumped together. I think there are a lot of good republicans here old school too... I am pro gay marriage (Why? Cause if you want to get ****ed in the *** who am I to stop you...) I'm pro separation of church and stated because WTF church is the state suppose to be? Hopefully not islam or southern baptist. Just Sayin' I'm pro-choice because as my mom used to say, Every time I ****ed up, which was often. I brought you into this word I'll take you out... Her choice. Yes, You should be able to spank your kid. We are on here. Just voice your opinion especially on Gun Rights... I have a lot of friends who are Democrats and pro gun rights mostly because of me.
If you really want to freak out the republican's remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. was a republican. lol... Just Sayin' The Party is crumbling.... My mom is a republican because that was the party the help immigrants back in the 70s that believed in what Liberty stood for. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Yes, My mom was an illegal immigrant and is proud to say her 1st vote after getting her citizenship was for Ronald Reagan. Last edited by YZFNYC; 07-09-2013 at 8:54 PM.. |
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Fox News eh? lmao...ok. You won't hear me saying you can't have a moral compass if you are an atheist. Morality can be imparted different ways. How some one is raised, or what peer pressures exerted while growing up in school/college, or innate behavior or the society in general all influence. So an atheist as well as anyone else can have a moral compass. The meaning of progressive still holds, one who wants to "progress" society to a form other than what it is currently. Just the goals are changed or different today. "Global warming" or "Social Justice" to name a couple. Of course it goes without saying, depending who you are talking to, 1 issue will eclipse another of the many varied issues there are. People will always argue like cats and dogs, not necessarily from human nature but different perspectives, right?
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It certainly makes life more entertaining. I don't look for conflict anymore (I'm divorced), but it can be fun arguing on the interwebs, though it's a lot like masturbation, mildly pleasing while you're doing it, but a bit of a let down when you're done.
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Funny, I use that line to freak out libs.
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See, common ground. Big tent 2A is, just get your progressive buddies to see the light and get your hand off my money.
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^^^The above is just an opinion. NRA Patron Member CRPA 5 yr Member "...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas Jefferson |
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This thread is entertaining and sad at the same time. Republican or Democrat if those are the only two choices for people on this site we are royally screwed.
Vote dem and give up the second amendment. Vote republican and you give up on 4 and 6. Either way we are still in a police state. Sad that this site is so conservative that they don't see how they are also helping to erode our rights. Freedom means freedom, if I am not hurting you what I do is none of your or the governments business. I am pro-choice, pro-gun, pro-gay, pro-biggulp, pro-drug, pro alcohol and pro any thing else that allows people to live the way they want to live. If you wish to push your way of life on anyone conservative ideals or progressive you are the problem and are against freedom. To each their own my friends |
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LMAO, thanks for the laugh, I keep making loud noises in hopes I one day get over cringing. I am a 60 year old woman and a natural born American citizen. I believe in our forefathers way of doing things. Live and let live and stay the heck out of my business. Separate the Church from the State etc. If 'I ain't hurtin' nobody don't %$@!(self moderated) with me!' Otherwise known as the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It seems nowadays politicians are more liars and bigots than ever before. Take two steps forward and three back! Don't we live in the 21st Century fer goshsakes!?!?! (Note: no where did I say what party I belong to) Last edited by LittleOldLady; 07-10-2013 at 1:52 PM.. |
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Respect for the rights of others is what we demand from our government and politicians, and it is what we should practice ourselves. |
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Welcome aboard Eric.
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Not sure how you can possibly accept government intervention in everything else - Just not when it comes to your gun rights.
Good luck with that. Bottom line - Tyrants are on the left and the right. When the government boot is on your throat - Does it really matter if it's the left boot or the right boot. Progressive - Statist - Liberal - Communist - Socialist - Conservative. Same crap - Different methods. What our Country needs is a return to CONSTITUTIONAL leadership. Not more bullcrap rhetoric sheep regurgitating the meaningless rhetoric spewed from political hacks. Or maybe I'm just a pissed off a-hole grunt...
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Pretty much what I said! |
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Yup.
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Keep on voting for the left wing politicians who are controlling the Democrat Party, or... ...or please pay a visit to your local police station and voluntarily surrender all your guns. It's the same thing, only a little bit faster.
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Hmmm....there seems to be a lack of understanding of the difference between a progressive and a libertarian.
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^^^The above is just an opinion. NRA Patron Member CRPA 5 yr Member "...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas Jefferson Last edited by SWalt; 07-12-2013 at 3:07 PM.. |
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People should vote on what's important to them, and vote for who is willing to stand up for what is important to them. I don't agree with all the ideas of the people I have voted for, but I chose the ones that would represent what are priorities to me and my family. The democrats in California and those that vote for them are responsible for their actions. If th OP chooses to vote for democrats that are antigun ( following the party line) he has no one to blame but himself and those like him. If the 2nd amendment is your priority, you would note vote for those that erode it on a consistent basis. Just realize that it is the 2nd amendment that gives us the ability to protect and defend our other rights from tyranny and those that would try to take those rights from us.
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I'm itching to say something here but I can't find the words - Oh, here it comes. Good luck OP. You'd probably be better off giving yourself an enema and just forgetting about the whole thing.
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typical lib way, see my viewpoint or your a childish idiot. facts are facts if you vote for anti 2nd people, then the 2nd is not high on your priority list,plain and simple.none of your intellectual grand standing can change this fact.
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Apparently you missed the post where I said I did not vote for a sitting California politician.
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You also said in post 107 that Republicans were the elected officials in your area and in 112 that you would never vote republican due to the stench on the right. This sounds to me like you have voted for anti 2a elements but they did not get elected. Maybe the Dems you voted for were for 2a rights? I am not really trying to bust your chops, but I keep seeing apparent disconnects in your dialogue and am not sure you have made the connection between your voting habits and the problems (including 2a erosion) in California. It does sound like you (and some of your friends) are getting there, but have not turned the corner yet. How many more rights will you have to lose before you vote differently? The Dems and Reps are not the only choices.
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Define "Conservative"? I am conservative is terms of Economics (example: continued borrowing leads to bankruptcy) but socially Liberal, (example: do what ever you wish as long as you do infringe of my Natural and Civil Rights). Your use of the word "Conservative" is a wide swath and way to convenient to be relevant.
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I believe that it is a good thing to have rules when it comes to definitions of terms and labels. A good rule book in this regard is the Dictionary.
When I open my Dictionary to the word Liberal the first entry is as follows: 1) Broad-minded tolerant of different views and standards of behavior in others. For Conservative: 1) Reluctant to accept change in favor of preserving the status quo and traditional values and customs, and against abrupt change. For Progressive: 1) Progressing gradually over a period of time. (the root word here is progress) I would remind those (both right and left) who disagree with the above that the Constitution is not, and never has been, a conservative document. It would follow, therefore, that the right to bear arms is not, automatically, a conservative virtue. By the same token, the forces that opposed the creation of the Constitution and The Bill of Rights were not Liberal in their mentality. Before the gnashing of teeth on the right begins - Liberals, for the most part, are just as silly as conservatives when it comes to clarity on this subject. |
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why the heck is this thread in the "announcement" forum? |
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Huh.....didn't notice. Perhaps CGN is trying to be fair to all political persuasions. If its in OT, then no outsider can see it?
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^^^The above is just an opinion. NRA Patron Member CRPA 5 yr Member "...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas Jefferson |
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