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Old 02-23-2019, 9:53 AM
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Default AB 1297 McCarty - remove cap on CCW license fees

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01920200AB1297

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Existing law authorizes specified local law enforcement agencies to issue to an applicant a license to carry a concealed firearm if certain requirements are met, including, among others, that the applicant has good cause for the license. Existing law requires an applicant for a license or a renewal of a license to pay a fee to the Department of Justice, as specified, to cover costs associated with background reports. Existing law allows the licensing authority of any city, city and county, or county to charge an additional fee for a new license in an amount equal to the actual costs for processing the application for a new license. Under existing law, that additional fee may not exceed $100.

This bill would require, rather than authorize, the local licensing authority to charge the fee and would require the fee to be in an amount equal to the reasonable costs for processing the application, issuing the license, and enforcing the license, as specified.

The bill would delete the prohibition on charging more than $100 for the fee.
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Old 02-23-2019, 3:46 PM
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this is the same asswipe legislator that authored AB 424 that took away school officials' discretion to allow concealed weapons on THEIR campuses.
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Old 02-23-2019, 6:37 PM
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Easy suit based on economic/racial bias. Minority applicants would be affected more by this.
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Easy suit based on economic/racial bias. Minority applicants would be affected more by this.
Agreed, opening up a nice can of worms.
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Old 02-23-2019, 10:05 PM
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Agreed, opening up a nice can of worms.
Or they'll give a discount to low income people and jack up the price for "normal" applicants to subsidize them...
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Agreed, opening up a nice can of worms.
And it will take years, YEARS to see any relief from a court.
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Old 02-24-2019, 8:35 AM
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By then Excremento will have passed a series of oppressive gun laws, each having at least a 10 year lifespan before being overturned.

For every unconstitutional gun law overturned, 5 more are passed to replace them. All of them are allowed to be in effect until overturned, if at all.
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Default Just thought id share this on CCW applications. Takes 30 seconds to submit...

I think this is the appropriate board to post this to.

Every little bit helps...


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Old 03-02-2019, 1:26 AM
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Cali already has the highest cost for a ccw.
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Once passed and yes I'm positive it will I see the fees in the PRK rising to a "reasonable" minimum of at least 2k.
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Easy suit-
It’s difficult to understand how you could think that given it would be brought under the precedent of the Peruta en banc decision.
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First the county/ sheriff must be willing to issue the license otherwise the fee become a moot point.
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...require the fee to be in an amount equal to the reasonable costs for processing the application, issuing the license, and enforcing the license...

The first part does put a cap on it, which could be easy enough to sue if they tried to overcharge. Processing and issuing can be measured. However, the "enforcing the license" means whatever they want it to mean, including funding an entire police department. So they have given themselves an out to allow no maximum, and charge whatever they want.
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this is literally just to punish gun owners. Can’t even try to disguise this one as “for public safety”


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"Maria Fernandez, 32, mother of 4 from San Bernardino, stabbed to death by her ex husband. Her relatives say that she applied for CCW but could not afford the high fees, that are now 1500$. The hispanic community is enraged about the incident and claim that the recent fees raising are purely racist and discriminate minorities".
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McCarty....again. He's been on a mission to get rid of CCW here for awhile now. If I remember correctly, Brown vetoed one of his bills saying it was the result of a personal vendetta against Sacramento Sheriff Jones...but I could be wrong.

On a side note...he is one ugly SOB.
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Jones suggested that the audit was spurred by the political ambitions of "Assemblyman Kevin McCarty, D-Sacramento, who requested the review earlier this year to examine the fiscal and public safety impacts of concealed carry weapon programs in California. McCarty’s request was approved by the Joint Legislative Audit Committee, a bipartisan committee of the Legislature composed of members from the California State Assembly and Senate, the audit said.

In a statement issued late Thursday, McCarty said Jones “maliciously neglected his sworn duty to follow the law when issuing CCW licenses,” pointing to audit findings that the Sheriff’s Department did not notify individuals in accordance to state law when their application for a permit was rejected by the department."


Read more here: https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/ar...#storylink=cpy
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Reflecting...that audit was probably more about determining the maximum cost of supporting CCW so that the same costs could be imposed on every department, and the applicant to support the maximum directly through fees. We now see this as his intent via this bill. Efficiency and rights be damned.
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Reflecting...that audit was probably more about determining the maximum cost of supporting CCW so that the same costs could be imposed on every department, and the applicant to support the maximum directly through fees. We now see this as his intent via this bill. Efficiency and rights be damned.
No, the audit was about going after the Sacramento Sheriff to paint him as enabling gun nuts to carry guns. When it turned out it he only made minor admin errors and the Los Angeles Sheriff was completely corrupt, it was buried. I wrote my Assemblyman (who was the chair of the audit committee at the time) about how ridiculous it was that LASD was allowed to blow off the auditors, as documented in their report.

The response I got was: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Interesting item in the bill - they have to charge the reasonable costs, but the additional fee, if any, has to be sent to the city or county treasury.

As it doesn't specify an account, the sheriff might be able to get it into the account to cover costs. Some counties, however, might just take that and use it elsewhere and make them ask for more at budget time.
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McCarty is certainly on a crusade to eliminate concealed carry in the state by making it far too expensive for most people to afford. It is part of his anti-gun animus. And yes, he has a history with the Sac county Sheriff. As I recall he was the one pushing to cut the Sheriff's budget as a way of reducing the issuance of ccws. It didn't work, and he has been on a high horse ever since. It was his idea to select LA to be included in the audit because he guessed--incorrectly as it turned out--that the cost of administering its ccw program far exceeded the income generated by the fees charged, which in turn would have provided the basis for this current bill. Moreover, I would think that the cost of enforcing the ccw law would not be terribly high, since on average ccw holders are quite law abiding.
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this is the same asswipe legislator that authored AB 424 that took away school officials' discretion to allow concealed weapons on THEIR campuses.
Yes, and as a former school employee, that one hit me right in the nuts.


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McCarty....again. He's been on a mission to get rid of CCW here for awhile now.
On a side note...he is one ugly SOB.
'Pinhead' comes to mind.
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How old is this McCarty? Is he healthy? Just wondering.
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First the county/ sheriff must be willing to issue the license otherwise the fee become a moot point.
Our county sheriff was happy to collect $90 application and whatever it was for background check to deny mine. Just as everyone else’s in the county.
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How old is this McCarty? Is he healthy? Just wondering.

Don't worry about his age, think "term limits" instead.
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AB-1297 read third time and passed Assembly Floor on 5/13. Ordered to Senate.
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Such BS...hoping VC doesn't get crazy and up theirs
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Somebody should return this dweeb back to the locker he spent his high school years in...
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Our county sheriff was happy to collect $90 application and whatever it was for background check to deny mine. Just as everyone else’s in the county.
Hard to find a no-issue sheriff or chief who doesn't like no-cost income generation. Glad I don't live in such a county.
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Continuing down this path by our legislature will only ensure that many will continue to carry in secret and without oversight.

Oh well....
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Somebody should return this dweeb back to the locker he spent his high school years in...
That can be arranged. I think someone has his home address.
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maybe someone should sue sheriffs and police chiefs when application money is deposited and they routinely deny after the party passes all the other requirements. When Sacramento denied mine after approving it over multiple years i demanded my money back and got it. Others should do the same. I noticed the sheriff was very quick about depositing my checks. Then they had the balls to send me a letter inviting me to apply again the next year. Now california is the only state out of fifty to deny me a permit i never used when i had it. the permit fees are rip offs and getting worse.
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