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Old 02-16-2017, 4:18 PM
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I'm looking to buy and tacticalize an M1 Carbine, but don't want to butcher anything that has any historical value. My question to those who have experience with repro M1 Carbines: what do you like/dislike about Universal vs. Inland Carbines? Are they worth the money?

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Hi all,
I'm looking to buy and tacticalize an M1 Carbine, but don't want to butcher anything that has any historical value. My question to those who have experience with repro M1 Carbines: what do you like/dislike about Universal vs. Inland Carbines? Are they worth the money?

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They are worth it if you can find one that is known to be reliable.

On the other hand, you may be better off with a 9mm carbine of you just want something for home defense. I use a Marlin Camp 9.

On the Motie hand, prices have gone up even for repro M1s, it may not be worthit at all if you are just looking for functionality.
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They are worth it if you can find one that is known to be reliable.

On the other hand, you may be better off with a 9mm carbine of you just want something for home defense. I use a Marlin Camp 9.

On the Motie hand, prices have gone up even for repro M1s, it may not be worthit at all if you are just looking for functionality.
Chiappa makes an M1 9mm for 500 bucks
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Chiappa makes an M1 9mm for 500 bucks
True. It has a spotty reputation. A lot of the parts are plastic.

That being said....I would try one if I had it.
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I'm looking to buy and tacticalize an M1 Carbine, but don't want to butcher anything that has any historical value. My question to those who have experience with repro M1 Carbines: what do you like/dislike about Universal vs. Inland Carbines? Are they worth the money?

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eh they made 8 million of them go ahead what kind of irreversable things are you planning on doing ?

repro's are more hard to find in the wild than originals
sure you might run into a universal but its triggerguard is not compatable with any "for m1 carbine" stocks

i remember the IAI ones from 15 years ago but that company was poorly managed so they are gone now
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M1 carbines were plenty tactical for our soldiers to kill Nazis, Imperial Japanese and North Koreans.

What do you want to "improve"?


Collector rant over. If you're dead set on it buy a repro M1 for cheap or at the most a blue sky import barreled receiver or a D/T or otherwise mangled sporter.


I guess you could call the M3 carbine "tactical". It has a lot of stuff bolted and clamped to it.


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M1 carbines were plenty tactical for our soldiers to kill Nazis, Imperial Japanese and North Koreans.

What do you want to "improve"?


Collector rant over. If you're dead set on it buy a repro M1 for cheap or at the most a blue sky import barreled receiver.
They still have barreled receivers? Can't find any carbines or mauser actions for that matter.
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They still have barreled receivers? Can't find any carbines or mauser actions for that matter.
They pop up occasionally on the CMP forums. You might get lucky and find a cheap sporterized carbine too. Most of those have been saved already but some have been D/T for scopes and bead sights added on. Those would be a prime candidate for the OP.

Here's M1 carbine receivers. One of the Plainfields would be a perfect one to start on. All other parts are easily attainable.
http://www.centuryarms.biz/products.asp?cat=168

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They pop up occasionally on the CMP forums. You might get lucky and find a cheap sporterized carbine too. Most of those have been saved already but some have been D/T for scopes and bead sights added on. Those would be a prime candidate for the OP.

Here's M1 carbine receivers. One of the Plainfields would be a perfect one to start on. All other parts are easily attainable.
http://www.centuryarms.biz/products.asp?cat=168

Here's Czech 98 Mauser actions
http://www.centuryarms.biz/proddetai...rod=RE2276%2DG
Thanks, but no C&R account so I cant see pricing. Also the price of installing a barrel? yikes.
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Where are you located OP? Barnwood Arms in Ripon has a Universal on their consignment rack. Priced at $499 if I recall.
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From a logistical perspective I suggest you use a Mini 14 as a donor gun instead. Mini's are more plentiful, tactical stuff for minis are more plentiful, and 223 ammo is more plentiful.
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I never seen an after-market military style 30 cal Carbine that functioned properly.

If someone says different ask them if they will refund all your purchase price money when it jams 1:10 times, or if they have a loaner for you while you wait for repair parts.

Oh sure, after-market ones work great for sure.
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I can weigh in on this with some experience. My first M1 carbine was a really nice post war Iver Johnson. It looked good and functioned fine. I later sold it when I had a USGI version but I wish I had kept it.

I also bought what was represented as a James River Armory. Beautiful rifle. I owned it for a year as a safe queen. When I finally took it out something was clearly wrong with it. Lacking the skills or tools to work on it, I sold it to a private party (at a loss, with full disclosure of the issues it had.)

I have a couple very nice USGI carbines now (IBM and Saginaw) but I would definitely be open to buying a post war copy if it ran right and the price was right. There really isn't a more fun milsurp to shoot than an M1 carbine. With good ammo and well tested for reliability, it would still make for a very good home or self defense weapon too.
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Here's some good info on National Ordnance M1 Carbines.
If you can find one built from all GI surplus parts it will be no different than a "real" M1 carbine other than being a parts gun....which many arsenal refurbished real carbines are anyway.

There were a few more surplus builders back in the day, some good, some bad.
It's a fun search for one of these upcoming rainy days when you're stuck inside.

Playing around with some upgrades to one of these shouldn't bother anyone.

http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_natord.html
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Every commercial one I've owned over the past 40 years has had a function problem. And nearly every gun magazine review of the latest permutation contains two lines. The first is "Company A really did it up right this time" followed not too long by "Company A assures us forthcoming models won't have these issues ...."

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I'm looking to buy and tacticalize an M1 Carbine, but don't want to butcher anything that has any historical value. My question to those who have experience with repro M1 Carbines: what do you like/dislike about Universal vs. Inland Carbines? Are they worth the money?

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The early Universal Carbines were just as good as GI Carbines. They were built with their receiver and GI parts. Later Universals look like an M1 Carbine but parts wont interchange with GI carbines unless it's a later one that was made for LE.
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When the repro copies were in the $300 range ... they weren't worth that.
I doubt they are worth todays asking prices.
Granted , I know Joe's mom's cousins brothers girlfriends kids friends dad has one that runs great and is in operational service with the CBCITF Agency in a secret location serving the country and keeping us free ....... but you on the other hand have a high probability of having trouble with one.

Regardless if you are going to get one anyhow ... ask to shoot it a bit prior to money changing hands.
I have been told "NO" on a copy that was SAID to be a great firearm many of a time.
AND pay attention to how excited the seller gets the closer it gets to the deal being done.
Probably a good reason for that .... don't be that guy.
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There are problems with the new commercial "Inland" brand carbines.





I would stick with USGI. It is possible with the new President that the USGI M1 Carbines in South Korea might finally be approved for importation and hit the US market at reasonable prices.
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I just looked at Gunbroker, many listed.
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I've got one of the Chiappa M1 copies in 9mm that uses 92fs mags. It is true there is a lot of plastic on the rifle. I replaced the bayonet mount/handguard band with a metal G.I. one and refinished the stock. It looks great, and I've never had any problems with it.
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I am probably the only guy happy with his crappy Universal carbine. Bought it used, along with the Ruger Blackhawk in the same caliber, in the early 90's, from a friend who was getting out of firearms. Probably spent maybe $125 on the rifle. I can shoot 2" groups at 100 yards with either milsurp stuff from the 90's, or recently made Tula steel. Both seem to have the same POI also.

I am sure I must have had some sort of malfunction over the years, but nothing really sticks in my memory. It's just a fun rifle to play with.

I've found some interesting articles on Universal carbines on the internet, everything I've read indicates mine (serial number wise) is the worst of the entire series and it's a minor miracle the slide hasn't cracked. I wish I had such luck buying lottery tickets.
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I am probably the only guy happy with his crappy Universal carbine. Bought it used, along with the Ruger Blackhawk in the same caliber, in the early 90's, from a friend who was getting out of firearms. Probably spent maybe $125 on the rifle. I can shoot 2" groups at 100 yards with either milsurp stuff from the 90's, or recently made Tula steel. Both seem to have the same POI also.

I am sure I must have had some sort of malfunction over the years, but nothing really sticks in my memory. It's just a fun rifle to play with.

I've found some interesting articles on Universal carbines on the internet, everything I've read indicates mine (serial number wise) is the worst of the entire series and it's a minor miracle the slide hasn't cracked. I wish I had such luck buying lottery tickets.
Nope, there are two of us. I bought mine new back in 78 or 79. Works like a champ. I guess we both got lucky.
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I definitely would avoid as you said, any permanent Bubba mods to a original. But most aftermarket Carbines were junk. Go to the CMP forum and you will find what good ones are out there as far aftermarket. But it is a very short list.

I personally would avoid every aftermarket Carbine. But you are the one spending the money. Good Luck
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They are awful and should be avoided in my opinion. I believe all WW2 american designs should be vintage only because of their forged manufacturing. The modern MIM cast stuff is just not military grade, it's just consumer crap.

That being said, most of the M1's don't shoot well anyway, including my original Rockola.
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I almost bought a vintage USGI M1 Carbine at a gun show and it was cheap.

As I reached for my wallet, I noticed that some dumb former owner had his own name stamped on the receiver crest. I don't know who in the hell "Irwin Pederson" is, but I put it back on the table and bought a Universal M1 instead, already upgraded with the metal handguard.

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I almost bought a vintage USGI M1 Carbine at a gun show and it was cheap.

As I reached for my wallet, I noticed that some dumb former owner had his own name stamped on the receiver crest. I don't know who in the hell "Irwin Pederson" is, but I put it back on the table and bought a Universal M1 instead, already upgraded with the metal handguard.

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As I reached for my wallet, I noticed that some dumb former owner had his own name stamped on the receiver crest. I don't know who in the hell "Irwin Pederson" is, but I put it back on the table and bought a Universal M1 instead, already upgraded with the metal handguard.
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A good web site with a lot of information on the commercial M1 Carbines is at

http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbines.html

I own an early manufacture IAI M1 Carbine which is a mixture of USGI and commercial made parts. It was built by gunsmith in Texas who knew a lot about M1 Carbines. I have had no problems with my IAI M1 carbine and shoot it instead of my GI Quality Hardware M1 Carbine. If any of your respondents to this discussion have any brand of commercial M1 Carbine, they may find some good information about it and the company that built it at the above website.
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Would an un-quality carbine be good for a tactical make over?



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Don't mess up an Un Quality. They're super rare and command beaucoup bucks when you find them. They are right next to the Irwin Pedersen on the rarity scale. I have one of Irwin's carbines. It will clean an SR target at 200 yards.
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Thanks guys. I read somewhere that the repro universal carbines are actually more accurate than USGI. Some blame the malfunctions on bad magazines. Whatever the problem is, I think I will get a used mini 14 instead :-)

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Don't mess up an Un Quality. They're super rare and command beaucoup bucks when you find them. They are right next to the Irwin Pedersen on the rarity scale. I have one of Irwin's carbines. It will clean an SR target at 200 yards.
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Thanks guys. I read somewhere that the repro universal carbines are actually more accurate than USGI. Some blame the malfunctions on bad magazines. Whatever the problem is, I think I will get a used mini 14 instead :-)

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Some probably are but not all Universals are equal. There was a stretch when they used micro groove barrels that are very accurate, but I don't know how long they used them. The Mini 14 is better for a tactical make over.
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Has anyone tried the Auto Ordnance M1's yet? I saw one a few weeks ago, beautiful firearm, got my interest spiked....
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Has anyone tried the Auto Ordnance M1's yet? I saw one a few weeks ago, beautiful firearm, got my interest spiked....
It's a die cast replica, just buy something that the US government spent huge amounts of money on to cast and forge. Then you get the history and the better quality.
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I owned a couple of Plainfield carbines in the 70s and found them to be reliable firearms.
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I bought one of the Universal M1 carbines that was a presentation model. It was brand new with all USGI parts and a magnificent Walnut stock. In the presentation case it came in it also had every magazine size the military used. Bayonet, sling and cleaning kit. I paid 600 for it thinking i was going to make some bucks on it . All i got was posts on what a POS it was and nobody wanted it. This was not one of the later carbines that had the duel recoil springs. This one was just like the military carbine and used a new surplus bolt. I finally got 650 from a collector that felt sorry for me.
Lesson learned. I would have kept and shot it but i bought it to sell.

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I bought one of the Universal M1 carbines that was a presentation model. It was brand new with all USGI parts and a magnificent Walnut stock. In the presentation case it cam in it also had every magazine size the military used. Bayonet, sling and cleaning kit. I paid 600 for it thinking i was going to make some bucks on it . All i got was posts on what a POS it was and nobody wanted it. This was not one of the later carbines that had the duel recoil springs. This one was just like the military carbine and used a new surplus bolt. I finally got 650 from a collector that felt sorry for me.
Lesson learned. I would have kept and shot it but i bought it to sell.
I think I remember that thread.
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