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Old 10-11-2020, 9:26 AM
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So who is going to "select" which people get to go? You Mr. Lonewolf? And what happens if I'm not on the list and I show up anyway? And what if I don't have amask?

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Got it. When you don't have a valid argument, resort to name calling. What is it they call that? I always forget that term.

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Got it. When you don't have a valid argument, resort to name calling. What is it they call that? I always forget that term.

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The valid argument is that this event brings in hundreds of people over a short period of time that can have repercussions in today's climate. Since California is run by idiots and has us under a tiered program to reopen counties, this event could be noticed and bring in more trouble. San Bernardino County is still in the strictest tier. So maybe as lonewolf replied, "a select few people" doesn't necessarily mean the whole event being shutdown for everyone. Maybe it means a trial run where a few of us go out and see what the issues could be and what we can do to make the bigger event possible.

But since you got upset about this option to make sure people can safely enjoy the even, you are making a pariah of yourself. You're acting like a Karen and were called out for it.

But by all means, instead of pouting like a child why don't you make yourself useful in the conversation. If you cry like this on the internet, I sure don't want to see what kind of person you are in public.
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The valid argument is that this event brings in hundreds of people over a short period of time that can have repercussions in today's climate. Since California is run by idiots and has us under a tiered program to reopen counties, this event could be noticed and bring in more trouble. San Bernardino County is still in the strictest tier. So maybe as lonewolf replied, "a select few people" doesn't necessarily mean the whole event being shutdown for everyone. Maybe it means a trial run where a few of us go out and see what the issues could be and what we can do to make the bigger event possible.

But since you got upset about this option to make sure people can safely enjoy the even, you are making a pariah of yourself. You're acting like a Karen and were called out for it.

But by all means, instead of pouting like a child why don't you make yourself useful in the conversation. If you cry like this on the internet, I sure don't want to see what kind of person you are in public.
Good information, would have been nice if this was shared before you resorted to name calling. And how exactly was that helpful or useful in the conversation?

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I wonder if the complainers realize the amount of planning, funding, and liability taken on by the folks who organize it every year, and consider those aspects along with the litigious and blame-rather-than-take-personal-responsibility ridden society we live in today...especially in a world where Covid-freaking-19, fear, and a general anti-2A sentiment in our "rulers" seems to run everyone and everything.

Sometimes taking a few steps back from something to have an opportunity to reconnoiter and plan to keep from losing it forever is the right choice.
See: Open carry.

(I am not involved in the planning or organization of SSZS, but the reason for the statements and posts being complained about seemed pretty clear to me, with a modicum of critical thinking.)
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The valid argument is that this event brings in hundreds of people over a short period of time that can have repercussions in today's climate. Since California is run by idiots and has us under a tiered program to reopen counties, this event could be noticed and bring in more trouble. San Bernardino County is still in the strictest tier. So maybe as lonewolf replied, "a select few people" doesn't necessarily mean the whole event being shutdown for everyone. Maybe it means a trial run where a few of us go out and see what the issues could be and what we can do to make the bigger event possible.

But since you got upset about this option to make sure people can safely enjoy the even, you are making a pariah of yourself. You're acting like a Karen and were called out for it.

But by all means, instead of pouting like a child why don't you make yourself useful in the conversation. If you cry like this on the internet, I sure don't want to see what kind of person you are in public.
I asked a simple question to Lonewolf, not you, asking for clarification based on a statement he made, not you.
But since you've decided to interject yourself and go all attack mode on both JFWLB and myself, and call us pouting children and Karens, I'll just say good day to you, better than wasting my time trying to communicate with someone who has decided not to act in a dignified manner.
Additionally, nothing you posted was relayed.
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I wonder if the complainers realize the amount of planning, funding, and liability taken on by the folks who organize it every year, and consider those aspects along with the litigious and blame-rather-than-take-personal-responsibility ridden society we live in today...especially in a world where Covid-freaking-19, fear, and a general anti-2A sentiment in our "rulers" seems to run everyone and everything.

Sometimes taking a few steps back from something to have an opportunity to reconnoiter and plan to keep from losing it forever is the right choice.
See: Open carry.

(I am not involved in the planning or organization of SSZS, but the reason for the statements and posts being complained about seemed pretty clear to me, with a modicum of critical thinking.)
I wonder if you can differentiate between a question being asked and a complaint?
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Old 10-11-2020, 7:34 PM
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Good information, would have been nice if this was shared before you resorted to name calling. And how exactly was that helpful or useful in the conversation?

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I asked a simple question to Lonewolf, not you, asking for clarification based on a statement he made, not you.
But since you've decided to interject yourself and go all attack mode on both JFWLB and myself, and call us pouting children and Karens, I'll just say good day to you, better than wasting my time trying to communicate with someone who has decided not to act in a dignified manner.
Additionally, nothing you posted was relayed.
Well see above. I give a valid reason to the state of affairs and this tool along with yourself resort to belittle a post with no reason behind it. I was a little harsh on you John and I apologize, but the arrogant fool above you needed a kick off that high horse. Seeing how this is becoming less of the event and more pontificating, I'll recuse myself. If this is how Calguns treats someone with information, I don't want to be part of it. I'll stick to the Marketplace.
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I wonder if the complainers realize the amount of planning, funding, and liability taken on by the folks who organize it every year, and consider those aspects along with the litigious and blame-rather-than-take-personal-responsibility ridden society we live in today...especially in a world where Covid-freaking-19, fear, and a general anti-2A sentiment in our "rulers" seems to run everyone and everything.

Sometimes taking a few steps back from something to have an opportunity to reconnoiter and plan to keep from losing it forever is the right choice.
See: Open carry.

(I am not involved in the planning or organization of SSZS, but the reason for the statements and posts being complained about seemed pretty clear to me, with a modicum of critical thinking.)

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Hi guys. We're all brothers in arms and like-minded individuals so let's take a breath.

I am an organizer of this event so I feel qualified to give my input. I have expressed to Lonewolf my concerns about being held liable for someone getting COVID, as well as being fined by the state of Kommiefornia for the number of people at our gathering exceeding state guidelines. There's not some company or entity sponsoring this event. Were individuals who organize through CGN (which means Kestryll could be held liable for an event he wouldn't even likely attend.)

We've dealt with the issue before when we kick around ideas of "what ifs?" Believe it or not, I worry less about the liability for other reasons than I do for COVID. We know the site has been infiltrated by CA DOJ and I'm absolutely certain that we're being monitored. The optics of us gathering to celebrate our freedoms, openly flaunting the state lock down order, aren't good for CGN. And I suspect we would be effectively used to highlight the cavalier attitude our side has for the state orders.

I'm not a chicken ****. I don't require customers to wear masks in my business and I don't wear one unless I'm required to. But this event and CGN are central to the fight for our rights. I agree with Spyder that sometimes we need to take a step back.

That being said, there's no reason that if individuals want to hang out at the spot, shoot, camp and enjoy the land, that you can't do that. I'd encourage members to contact each other directly and set those up.

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I wonder if the complainers realize the amount of planning, funding, and liability taken on by the folks who organize it every year, and consider those aspects along with the litigious and blame-rather-than-take-personal-responsibility ridden society we live in today...especially in a world where Covid-freaking-19, fear, and a general anti-2A sentiment in our "rulers" seems to run everyone and everything.

Sometimes taking a few steps back from something to have an opportunity to reconnoiter and plan to keep from losing it forever is the right choice.
See: Open carry.

(I am not involved in the planning or organization of SSZS, but the reason for the statements and posts being complained about seemed pretty clear to me, with a modicum of critical thinking.)

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Hi guys. We're all brothers in arms and like-minded individuals so let's take a breath.

I am an organizer of this event so I feel qualified to give my input. I have expressed to Lonewolf my concerns about being held liable for someone getting COVID, as well as being fined by the state of Kommiefornia for the number of people at our gathering exceeding state guidelines. There's not some company or entity sponsoring this event. Were individuals who organize through CGN (which means Kestryll could be held liable for an event he wouldn't even likely attend.

We've dealt with the issue before when we kick around ideas of "what ifs?" Believe it or not, I worry less about the liability for other reasons than I do for COVID. we know the site has been infiltrated by CA DOJ and I'm absolutely certain that we're being monitored. The optics of us gathering to celebrate our freedoms, openly flaunting the state lock down order, aren't good for CGN. And I suspect we would be effectively used to highlight the cavalier attitude our side has for thr state orders.

I'm not a chicken ****. I don't require customers to wear masks in my business and I don't wear one unless I'm required to. But this event and CGN are central to the fight for our rights. I agree with Spyder that sometimes we need to take a step back.

That being said, there's no reason that if individuals want to hang out at the spot, shoot, camp and enjoy the land, that you can't do that. I'd encourage members to contact each other directly and set those up.

God bless you all.

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If this event is postponed, or even cancelled, I will miss being there with like minded people enjoying what we all call a passion in one form or another. What I will miss the most is the camaraderie of the people I get to see usually only once a year. That is the beauty of what has evolved into an amazing event for us here in the failing state.
Hey folks, let’s be thankful for what we’ve had in the past years and figure this crazy situation out.
Many thanks to Lonewolf for all he’s done and it sounds like he is trying to come up with a solution to fit all.
But in the mean time, there is plenty of BLM land where we can exercise ours constitutional rights any time we want. (Just check the jurisdiction for any closures)
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Considering all comments above, and also considering accommodations and substantial changes that would have to be made if it did go forward, such as: no potluck; no facilities; issues with masks (or no masks, and the personal judgement that comes with that issue); and broadly putting a kibosh on the comradery that comes with this event, I think that 11.0 should be postponed until better times when we can have the same event that we've come to love.
Also, I don't want to have to sanitize the Barrett after every shooter, as that would clean off the 10 years of desert sand that have accumulated on that rifle.
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Speaking as a RSO for SSZS for the past several years, understand that there is an incredible amount of safety preparation that goes into the planning for this event. As any competent RSO would do, we put together detailed Standard Operating Procedures before each outing. There are always debates and revisions following our experience from previous events. Notwithstanding COVID issues, don’t forget (as is mentioned earlier in this thread) that we have a private landowner that is developing property on the west side of the firing line. This is an area where, during past events, if we saw any person or vehicle in the area we would be calling an immediate cease fire. This is an evolving situation, which is likely to involve scouting new areas to shoot. I am pretty sure that myself and other RSOs are not comfortable formulating new SOPs on the fly on a hot line and with potentially hundreds of shooters actively slinging lead downrange.
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Wow, this escalated quickly... Let's find some Wogdon & Barton pistols and set a duel! Bur-Hamilton style!
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Other events (not gun related) i know of were canceled this year as well.These were official deals and all.Even though "cancelled" the people that had reservations still went to enjoy the time happens most didnt cancel their reservations and ended up at same place.

Just didnt really have spectators or an official "show" atleast your blm land is open for shooting right now here in az closed for fire restrictions.Normally wed be camping there with family if i was still in ca.
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Let's not go that far.

But all considered. I don't think requiring masks is all that onerous but if you think it is...

We arrange a BLM (Bureau of land management) protest. Everybody knows that peaceful protesters are immune from covid.
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But all considered. I don't think requiring masks is all that onerous but if you think it is...

We arrange a BLM (Bureau of land management) protest. Everybody knows that peaceful protesters are immune from covid.


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It is something that happens every Saturday night on Facebook and involves memes ... wait ... I may be thinking about something else.
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I've heard it's a thing.
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Whew! What a fantastic miniature Extra Super Secret Zombie Shoot over the weekend! I'm just getting home after an all night drive, time to grab a nap, make some coffee, and start cleaning the dust out of everything.
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