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Old 12-13-2017, 7:52 AM
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Drop another vote from the senate election last night. Now they only have 51 left.
You might be right, but if Jones votes against CCR he will not be in that Alabama Senate seat long, and I'm sure he knows that.

I like the Fix NICS attachment because it gives Senators like Jones a reason other than CCR to vote ye on this bill.
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Old 12-13-2017, 8:35 AM
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You might be right, but if Jones votes against CCR he will not be in that Alabama Senate seat long, and I'm sure he knows that.

I like the Fix NICS attachment because it gives Senators like Jones a reason other than CCR to vote ye on this bill.
I agree, especially given the fact that Alabama already recognizes permits from all states except Vermont so it's passage would have no material effect in Alabama other than deny those in Alabama with permits the right to carry where their permits are not presently recognized.

On the other hand, maybe he already knows that he will not be re-elected regardless of how he votes.

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Old 12-14-2017, 4:41 PM
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You might be right, but if Jones votes against CCR he will not be in that Alabama Senate seat long, and I'm sure he knows that.
The concern is he knows that no matter what he won't be in the Senate for long. A politician with no future can be a dangerous thing - or a good thing, depending on where one sits.
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Old 12-21-2017, 9:50 AM
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The concern is he knows that no matter what he won't be in the Senate for long. A politician with no future can be a dangerous thing - or a good thing, depending on where one sits.
very true. good point.
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Old 12-26-2017, 9:34 AM
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Non Resident NEED's to be added.

Blue states will punish their citizens by no longer granting CCW, this is a given. Also financially, some states expiration is 5 years at 1/4 of the cost. This would force California into revising their policies in order to instead take that revenue.
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https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...enate-bill/446

Hearings on this bill have begun in the Senate Judiciary Cmte

"Bottom line" refresher: this Senate nat'l recip bill will NOT allow CAians CCW in CA with a non-CA CCW. But it will help us in that it will allow MILLIONS of out-of-state CCWers (and ConCarriers) to CC in CA every year when they vacation, business trip, visit friends & family in CA (in add'n to ~100k CAians who have CA CCWs). That will negate anti sheriffs contention that they restrict CCWs to "keep guns off of our streets." That eventually may make them and Sacto politicos to stop opposing Shall Issue.

But until then, if it becomes law, it will give CA BGs "a reason to fear" middle aged, overweight white guys wearing Panama hats, Hawaiian shirts and shorts with sandals, with cameras hanging around their necks and "hip packs" .... (Or the same wearing a "photographer's vest.")
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https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...enate-bill/446

Hearings on this bill have begun in the Senate Judiciary Cmte

"Bottom line" refresher: this Senate nat'l recip bill will NOT allow CAians CCW in CA with a non-CA CCW. But it will help us in that it will allow MILLIONS of out-of-state CCWers (and ConCarriers) to CC in CA every year when they vacation, business trip, visit friends & family in CA (in add'n to ~100k CAians who have CA CCWs). That will negate anti sheriffs contention that they restrict CCWs to "keep guns off of our streets." That eventually may make them and Sacto politicos to stop opposing Shall Issue.

But until then, it will give CA BGs "a reason to fear" middle aged, overweight white guys wearing Panama hats, Hawaiian shirts and shorts with sandals, with cameras hanging around their necks and "hip packs" .... (Or the same wearing a "photographer's vest.")
I expect California will respond by making more and more places no carry zones, possibly making a tiered system of licensing, and harassing out of state people who carry here. And the 9th circuit will rule none of it violates the 2nd.

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https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...enate-bill/446

Hearings on this bill have begun in the Senate Judiciary Cmte

"Bottom line" refresher: this Senate nat'l recip bill will NOT allow CAians CCW in CA with a non-CA CCW. But it will help us in that it will allow MILLIONS of out-of-state CCWers (and ConCarriers) to CC in CA every year when they vacation, business trip, visit friends & family in CA (in add'n to ~100k CAians who have CA CCWs). That will negate anti sheriffs contention that they restrict CCWs to "keep guns off of our streets." That eventually may make them and Sacto politicos to stop opposing Shall Issue.

But until then, if it becomes law, it will give CA BGs "a reason to fear" middle aged, overweight white guys wearing Panama hats, Hawaiian shirts and shorts with sandals, with cameras hanging around their necks and "hip packs" .... (Or the same wearing a "photographer's vest.")
Hi Paladin,
Thanks for keeping us updated. Does this version still have the legal fee provisions?

Thanks
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Old 04-26-2018, 4:54 PM
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Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith has signed on as a cosponsor to a bill that would allow people with concealed gun permits to carry firearms across state lines.

All states have some form of concealed carry permit, and many states accept permits from others. But the permits are not transferrable between states. The new law would mandate "reciprocity" — a concealed permit holder in one state can carry a gun in all other states.

"For law abiding gun owners with concealed carry permits, this legislation would affirm their ability to exercise their Second Amendment rights in other states with right-to-carry laws," Hyde-Smith said in a statement. "This is sensible legislation that recognizes states' authority to issue firearms licenses and permits, while supporting the rights of gun owners."

Supporters, including the National Rifle Association, say the measure ensures a constitutional right is upheld across the country. They compare the issue to states accepting motorists licensed in other states.

Opponents, including the International Association of Chiefs of Police, say it usurps states' rights to regulate who can carry a concealed gun. Some states have stringent requirements, training and background checks for permits. Others do not.
More at: https://www.clarionledger.com/story/...ill/555464002/
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Non Resident NEED's to be added.

Blue states will punish their citizens by no longer granting CCW, this is a given. Also financially, some states expiration is 5 years at 1/4 of the cost. This would force California into revising their policies in order to instead take that revenue.
The (now dead) House bill so provided, however, it is more objectionable to dems because it takes away a state's right to mandate the training and qualifications needed for issuance to its own citizens. In other words, it flies in the face of the "state's rights" claim (hypocritically) asserted by Dems in opposition to the bill.
The Cornyn version works more like a driver's license, with each state setting its own requirements for issuance to its citizens. Yeah, it sucks for you guys along the urban coast, but is more likely to pass. And as of the last time a count was made, there were not enough votes to overcome a filibuster and get a vote on the floor.
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I really want to be wrong, but I don't see any way this gets past the 60 vote threshold. We've been through this a few times already. Why is it any different now?
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Thumbs up NYC Will ‘Pay the Price’ of National Concealed Carry Law, Warns Vance

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If the proposed Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act (CCRA) becomes law, violence in New York City will climb to levels not seen since the 1990s, warns Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance, Jr.

“We are the most densely populated county in the biggest city in America,” Vance said Thursday. “The senator who votes for the CCRA from Texas, or from West Virginia, or from Arizona—they’re not going to have to pay the price for that.

“New York City is going to have to pay the price.”

The CCRA, which would force states to honor the concealed carry permits, or complete lack of permitting, of any other state, has already passed the House of Representatives and is awaiting a vote in the Senate. If it becomes federal law, Vance predicted it would introduce tens of thousands of guns into New York each year brought by the 40 million annual domestic visitors to the city.

Speaking at a public forum on gun policy at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, Vance said, “it doesn’t take much imagination to understand that’s a dangerous thing.”

Vance, who is also co-chair of Prosecutors Against Gun Violence, said the potential presence of large numbers of concealed weapons in high-traffic environments like Times Square would strain the resources of police.

“They’re the ones who will be on the front lines,” he said. “They’re not going to know [who] has a concealed carry permit.”

His warning was echoed by Michael Palladino, president of the New York Police Department Detectives’ Endowment Association.

“If this bill does pass, it’s going to be a law enforcement nightmare,” Palladino said. “If just 10 percent of tourists bring their guns with them, we’re going to have a big problem.”
More at: https://thecrimereport.org/2018/06/0...-warns-vance/#

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Ah.. the blood in the streets hyperbole. News flash for those guys... Dallas, Houston, Salt Lake, Vegas.. all densely populated (granted not the rats nest level of Manhattan), and all with plenty of tourists. Their cops seem to manage just fine.

Of course... NY also has some of the worst instances of police corruption and abuse, so there certainly is some valid fear, for the out of towners that is.

Just need to run their statements through the ol' truth translator - “If this bill does pass, it’s going to be a law enforcement nightmare,” Palladino said. “If just 10 percent of tourists bring their guns with them, we’re going to have a big problem.” should be translated as " If this bill does pass we are going to have tens out thousands of New Yorkers wondering why people from other states get to protect themselves and we can't."
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