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Old 11-07-2017, 8:13 PM
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Just ordered an A2 stock and the kit from Turners. Worth the expense imho to now NOT have to register it as an assault weapon. Heck, it's gonna be featureless!

I live in Santa Clara, any LGS's someone can recommend to put this stuff on? I don't have any gunsmith tools or will it be simple?
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Just ordered an A2 stock and the kit from Turners. Worth the expense imho to now NOT have to register it as an assault weapon. Heck, it's gonna be featureless!

I live in Santa Clara, any LGS's someone can recommend to put this stuff on? I don't have any gunsmith tools or will it be simple?
You can get a combo AR wrench off amazon, a flat head screw driver and complete the transformation in the comfort of your livingroom. No need to take it to a gunsmith.
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Old 11-07-2017, 8:42 PM
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You can get a combo AR wrench off amazon, a flat head screw driver and complete the transformation in the comfort of your livingroom. No need to take it to a gunsmith.
Something like this? "AR15 Gunsmith Armorer 8-in-1 Combo Wrench Tool"

What about the bullet button? Do I need to buy a new mag release or just cut off the bullet button housing? Forgot to ask this before.

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Something like this? "AR15 Gunsmith Armorer 8-in-1 Combo Wrench Tool"

What about the bullet button? Do I need to buy a new mag release or just cut off the bullet button housing? Forgot to ask this before.
If the BB isn't set with too much locktight, you can start to back it out using a small thin punch or something similar, needle nose pliers should help. There is a prince 50 wonder wrench that is designed to fit inside the BB to back it out. Costs a few dollars.

You also need to buy a new magazine release set, it's under $10.
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Just ordered an A2 stock and the kit from Turners. Worth the expense imho to now NOT have to register it as an assault weapon. Heck, it's gonna be featureless!



I live in Santa Clara, any LGS's someone can recommend to put this stuff on? I don't have any gunsmith tools or will it be simple?


Check out Reed’s. They’re a reputable place out there. Call ahead to see what the lead time is for that work.
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Below is a stock M&P Sport II and below that is a custom build with no bullet button, a muzzle break, MonsterMan grip & A2 stock (w/ Limbsaver).

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My BB spun right off. They must have installed it on monday. I agree with another post that the A2 stock is a little heavy, but it's solid. Easy peasy to make the sport featurless.
What mag release did you replace it with? Been looking at Brownells and Midway but can't figure out which would fit my M&P. Once I go featureless off comes that stupid BB.

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The way I understand it, these are the features/items that make an AR-15 an AW: 1) Flash Hider. 2) Pistol Grip. 3) Grenade Launcher. 4) Collapsible stock.
Two pages in, nobody is making the corrections? Tsk tsk, Calguns slippin'.

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(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
There are six (6) "features" on a rifle per PC 30515.
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Two pages in, nobody is making the corrections? Tsk tsk, Calguns slippin'.





There are six (6) "features" on a rifle per PC 30515.


Yes, you’re more right than I was.

I was only addressing the features on the stock M&P Sport since that was the subject of the OP. Didn’t want to confuse the situation. Well, I guess I did address the grenade launcher... oh well.

Thank you though for clarifying.
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No mean intentions here xdj. Just completing the loop.
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No mean intentions here xdj. Just completing the loop.


No worries and no meanness taken. When I posted my original post, I knew that others would likely chime in with more info. It’s all good.

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What mag release did you replace it with? Been looking at Brownells and Midway but can't figure out which would fit my M&P. Once I go featureless off comes that stupid BB.

Thanks in advance.
I used the DPMS from midwayusa.
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Old 11-09-2017, 9:06 AM
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I used the DPMS from midwayusa.
Ordered the complete assembly from Midway. Now I just wait for the brown truck to bring me my stuff.

Preaching to the choir here but how ironic it is making your AR platform "featureless" and you can get rid of the stupid bullet button and NO assualt rifle registration.

For you people that might be reading this thread for about $120 (and even less if you pin your stock, I went with a new one) you can make your AR featureless and you don't have to register it as an assault weapon.

Big thumbs up to calgunners for their help, much appreciated.
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Pin the stock $.05. You can buy the whole tool with the rivet pins for $5.

Thread protector is optional, you can have bare threads. But a thread protector is $6.50. Get one with a crush washer.

Grip wrap or Hammerhead is $14 to $30. Make your own wrap for $5-$10.

On an AK-47, you can simply remove the pistol grip. I have seen some gun stores selling them like this.

If you are in a hurry or whatever, you don't have to remove the bullet button, but the parts are less than $8 for a standard magazine release.
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Old 11-14-2017, 5:09 PM
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I got all the parts I think I need to go featureless but am not quite sure.

The A2 stock came with the spring, buffer, etc. Can I use the stock detent spring and parts from my S&W M&P 15 or do I need to order more stuff?
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Old 11-14-2017, 5:20 PM
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I have zero clue where to even start looking to do this.

Am I understanding that if I make it featureless it will be not only Calif compliant so I don't have to register it but also I can get rid of that stupid bullet button?
I made my M&P10 featureless used a thorsden stock rather than touching the buffer and tube which you'd need to put an A2 stock on it.

For M&P15 an A2 would work fine - just get a rifle length buffer and tube, but you still have to do something about pistol grip.
Thorsden stock is simple (if expensive) solution to both.

Getting the BB off is hardest step - there's a thread here somewhere on my M&P10 which shows the tool I used.
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Check out Reed’s. They’re a reputable place out there. Call ahead to see what the lead time is for that work.

I called them and because of the unclearness of the goofy laws Reeds isn't taking in any "black rifles" for featureless mods.
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I made my M&P10 featureless used a thorsden stock rather than touching the buffer and tube which you'd need to put an A2 stock on it.

For M&P15 an A2 would work fine - just get a rifle length buffer and tube, but you still have to do something about pistol grip.
Thorsden stock is simple (if expensive) solution to both.

Getting the BB off is hardest step - there's a thread here somewhere on my M&P10 which shows the tool I used.

How did you get the stock grip off? There's some kind of screw holding it on and I can't figure out what tool to use. A gunsmith I'm not:
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How did you get the stock grip off? There's some kind of screw holding it on and I can't figure out what tool to use. A gunsmith I'm not:
Remove the bottom of the grip and you use either a Tee Handle or screw driver, depending what kind of bolt.
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I called them and because of the unclearness of the goofy laws Reeds isn't taking in any "black rifles" for featureless mods.

Yeah, figured they might be waiting for a he dust to settle before they do any work like that.

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How did you get the stock grip off? There's some kind of screw holding it on and I can't figure out what tool to use. A gunsmith I'm not:

The bolt is an Allen screw head. You’ll need a pretty long one to get to it. I had to go out and buy a set at HD. Wasn’t too expensive.
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Yeah, figured they might be waiting for a he dust to settle before they do any work like that.




The bolt is an Allen screw head. You’ll need a pretty long one to get to it. I had to go out and buy a set at HD. Wasn’t too expensive.
Called another shop with the same results, those guys are under a microscope.

Off to Orchard Supply tomorrow. This thing is giving me a headache but I'll get it done one way or another!
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How did you get the stock grip off? There's some kind of screw holding it on and I can't figure out what tool to use. A gunsmith I'm not:
IIRC it's like any collapsible stock, you pull the latch down hard and it can slide right off
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Old 11-15-2017, 7:53 PM
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Thank you calgunners for your help in making my rifle featureless. My first time at mucking around with this platform and chasing flying springs around the kitchen was an adventure. Btw the bullet button was easy: drilled it out, took 5 seconds.

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