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I once had a trig Prof. that did some sort of proof showing that Noah and his family were the only ones that survived the flood, using avrage human propigation rates and current world population.
The guy was nutz
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck
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But back to the OP, they whine because in their world view all must adhere to their beliefs. Its the progressive mind set and it mystifies them that others can have a different view point.
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They certainly dominate. There is no denying it. But again - that's because conservatives look down upon it, and let that near monopoly to liberals. That's why I can't take seriously those who whine about liberal academia brainwashing their children. It's not like many of them are doing something about it by going into academia themselves.
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Yup. Not as bad, but once I had a law professor telling us his Nam stories in class. I mean, it was cool, but man, we didn't get much done.
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Wait, I'm confused. Am I supposed to vote for the lesser of two evils or the evil of two lessers? Is it better to get punched in the left eye or the right?
ps. I have codominate eyes when I shoot Last edited by adamjay; 03-21-2013 at 10:01 PM.. Reason: Punctuation |
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Vote for whomever does not vote for or introduce gun restriction legislation. See hwo easy that is?
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Thank you for saying this. It boggles my mind how many of us refuse to aknowledge these basic facts. |
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To those who believe that you should only vote on the one issue that is most important to you, I ask:
Would you vote for Obama if be was pro-gun and the other candidate was not (and other positions remained unchanged)? |
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I suggest Federalist #46 if you require further explanation. There's a copy of it here: http://thedamntrueexperiment.blogspo...-all.html#more
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I'm not sure what others meant about the 2 party system so I'll let them answer that part of your question. |
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It is a shame that a civil right takes second stage to other things like abortion, etc., that, while they don't stand a snowball chance's in hell of changing anytime soon, sure make the voter feel warm and fuzzy about having voted on "beliefs." Voting for what's right by virtue of priority versus what feels good are two very different things. |
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Nicely put, and well-encapsulated.
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Abortion is by far the greatest evil this world has ever seen (far worse than ANY war) yet we hear the same song-and-dance "without the 2A there are no other rights." Yeah, yeah, sure. It's also sad to see people with no hope -- "they don't stand a snowball chance's in hell of changing anytime soon" -- I guess that comes from the same place the 2A apathy and whining comes from... The "priority" is life and that trumps everything else. Without life there is no need for the RKBA. And no, the RKBA has not guaranteed life to the most vulnerable of our society -- the pre-born.
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Hodgson v. Minnestota Planned Parenthood v. Casey Stenberg v. Carhart Gonzales v. Carhart Gonzales v. PPFA And that's just SCOTUS since the 90s.
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2A however can be all but erased with a stroke of a pen and is currently under attack from every angle, local, state, federal and international.
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Any thoughts on the idea that the RKBA is not just a "belief" but a fundamental right that deserves a higher priority of protection that many of the other social concepts that people vote on? Last edited by Nopal; 03-22-2013 at 9:01 AM.. |
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Come to think of it, if you're not a gun owner you should vote libertarian.
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As someone else pointed out you're not up to speed with regards to ongoing challenges to abortion. I take strong exception to your opinion: "Voting for what's right by virtue of priority versus what feels good are two very different things." is simply wrong. Life is the #1 priority. Without life, the rest is noise.
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Pure horse manure. Damaging horse manure at that.
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The proper response to a anti-gun dem even if they support your other causes is not to vote or to vote for their opposition if he is progun. If a Republican promised everything I ever wanted and said he was for limiting freedom of speech. I would vote against him. If you are a so called progun dem, you should do the same against anti-gun dems. If you won't then your nothing but a liar about being pro-gun. I am a Libertarian minded independent. |
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Anyone who votes for someone who is not steadfast in their defense of 2A needs to understand that doing so is a tacit approval of the assault upon 2A.
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The main point is: RKBA is a constitutionally enumerated civil right. The only such right under attack in our country today, unlike the many other hot button issues that voters typically vote on, and as such is of paramount importance. Are going to pick a tangential argument on that point, too? |
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Or is it that gun owners don't care and don't vote. If we are about 20% of the electorate in California and only about 50% of the eligible voters actually go to the polls then why don't we have a much bigger voice. If we got 90% turn out of gun owners, we could stop the nonsense in this state. |
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But it is not the only enumerated right under attack.
I agree with you, "Anyone who votes for someone who is not steadfast in their defense of 2A needs to understand that doing so is a tacit approval of the assault upon 2A." Furthermore, Anyone who votes for someone who is not steadfast in their defense of ANY PART of the constitution needs to understand that doing so is a tacit approval of the assault upon the constitution. 2A support alone is not enough to deserve a vote. Honestly, respectfully, I'm not trying to be unduly argumentative, just trying to expand the criteria.
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If that means the dem party loses across this nation so be it. |
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Sorry........just a partial list. Does it help? They have many reasons why not to vote for evil conservative/republicans even though they are 2A supporters and their liberal democrats opponents are not.
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Unfortunately, I guess chainsaw's sarcasm is right. You either have to be right (ie correct) by being republican, or you are completely wrong by being a democrat. There is no middle ground. I guess life is only black or white and no gray area. Instead of having more people fighting for gun rights (by having pro-gun democrats), most posters will seem to be happier if ALL democrats are anti-gun (and lazy, love being taxed to death, continually allow illegals to cross the border and stay, etc, etc)...this way you will be proven 100% correct.
I'm assuming me sending emails to our two senators, Boxer and DiFi (whom I did not vote for in the last election) and the 3 Congressional Reps in the three districts that cover San Jose and telling them how unconstitutional the current gun proposals are does not matter to you. I guess you think it is just fake support for gun rights. I'm assuming that you would rather all pro-democrats just stay silent. Quote:
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The proof is in the numbers. Between 2008 and 2012 record numbers of guns and ammo were sold. Yet Obama, a Democrat with a very sketchy anti-2A streak, was re-elected. As such, what we have are NOT Democrats voting in line with their gun safes, but gun-control supporters who happen to own an AR15 and some other toys. They know better -in some cases-then to come on here and claim open support of politicians who want us and them disarmed, so we get the wishy washy "but Democrats like the 2A TOO" speeches. Save it for some other putz. I don't care what you say on an internet forum, I care about what you did in the voting booth.
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The more prohibitions you have, the less virtuous people will be. The more subsidies you have, the less self reliant people will be. -Lao-Tzu, Tau Te Ching. 479 BCE The 1911 may have been in wars for 100 years, but Masetro Bartolomeo Beretta was arming the world 400 years before John Browning was ever a wet dream. |
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