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Old 03-24-2017, 6:25 PM
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I'm thinking about doing the Appleseed class with my wife. We are eligible for the senior specials at Denny's, she's tiny, I'm XXL. We both have back issues, and I got half a knee installed last year.
I have two 10/22s, one with black plastic stock, BX trigger group, Leupold 2-7x32 scope, and standard barrel...pretty much the way I'd want it for 25 yards and a variety of positions. (Yes, I will remove the barrel band with the laser before Appleseed.)
The other has been modded as a bench gun: 20" stainless heavy barrel, Archangel stock, VQ trigger guts, bipod, and a Nikon 3-9x40. It's a bit chunky by comparison.
My thought is to return the second one to a configuration more like the first - factory plastic stock, factory stainless sporter barrel, no bipod, and my spare Leupold 2-7x32, leaving the current trigger as is. That's not much work to lose about half the weight. Is this the way to go? (I do NOT want to go buy another 10/22, trigger parts, and scope setup!!!!)
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Old 03-24-2017, 7:18 PM
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You don't have to return anything to stock if you don't want to.

The only thing I'd do in your shoes is lose the bipod. Also check to be sure that your scope gives you a clear image in all standard field positions, but since it's a 3-9 variable you should be able to dial it down and get a forgiving eyebox.

On the other hand, if you do want to change it back, you can... you won't need any of that fancy stuff to make the score. The only mod a 10/22 actually NEEDS is some kind of click-adjustable sights.

Also don't worry about the laser. It won't help but it won't hurt anything either. Most of the ones that have shown up on my line get left on and not noticed for hours afterward.
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Old 03-24-2017, 7:37 PM
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My thought was to lighten up the weight so it's easier to handle - no other concerns. I understand I'm welcome at Appleseed with a 12lb .308 if I choose to use such - I'm just thinking lighter is more better for this particular application.
Put it this way - which would you choose to take to Appleseed - a 5lb 10/22 that will shoot .5" at 25 yards all day, or a 9.5lb one that will shoot .2" at the same range? I'm thinking either will be adequate, but lighter will be easier on the shooter.

My eyes need a scope - no reason to train without one.
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Old 03-24-2017, 9:33 PM
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You won't notice a difference with rifle accuracy unless it's really bad (think "M1 carbine with shot-out barrel" bad).

As for weight... depends. My basic LTR is an iron-sighted 16" Marlin 70, weighs next to nothing. But I have a 10+ pound .22 bolt action, full wooden stock.

The only place light or heavy weight is going to make much difference is in offhand and transitions, and there, only for fatigue. Otherwise, competitors make their rifles as heavy as the rules allow. Heavier rifles are inherently more accurate when shot unsupported. Usually I'm trying to maintain muscle memory for my larger service and target rifles, so usually I bring my heavy trainer. But if I'm just there for fun, I'll grab the light one.

Bottom line, whichever approach gets you into the right mindset is the one you should take. If the bigger rifle feels more "serious" and helps you focus, take that. But if you're going to spend all day worrying about it or fighting the weight, go light. Mental focus is everything.
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Old 03-25-2017, 6:09 AM
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"We both have back issues" combined with a rifle with a heavy stainless bull barrel, to me does not sound like a good time when it comes to shooting standing off-hand.

As Rocketman said, if you can handle it, heavy rifles are a plus for off-hand. I've handled 20 pound ARs with the lead weights under the hand guard and filling the butt stock, this is the normal config for service rifle competitors for example.

For for a weekend of getting up and down, and many stages of standing off hand, you might want to go light for your first time. When you come back for more, then go with the heavy.
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Fatigue is the major concern. I think I'll shoot a few sleeves of MiniMags through both setups off-hand, and see how badly my left shoulder is lit up the next day.
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