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Old 05-16-2017, 11:06 AM
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Default High capacity kits (???)

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...f-11150073.php


San Francisco wants to halt high capacity kits sales.

Was a definition of high capacity KIT ever established?
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No.

It's probably a reasonable speculation that a complete magazine kit that could be assembled into a LCM qualifies, but short of a complete kit things seem murkier.
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But you can get free needles and methadone , so there's that.
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But you can get free needles and methadone , so there's that.
Needles and methadone don't kill people. Guns do. Just ask Planned Parenthood.

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Needles and methadone don't kill people. Guns do. Just ask Planned Parenthood.
Yes, they're the experts in killing. Wait, that's murder.
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Here's a slightly different take from one of the defendants in the suit:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1333748

Essentially, they all paid $7500 combined and agreed to not do something which they already were not doing. In return, customer lists remain confidential.
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Here's a slightly different take from one of the defendants in the suit:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1333748

Essentially, they all paid $7500 combined and agreed to not do something which they already were not doing. In return, customer lists remain confidential.
So a follower and a spring for a Sig 226 15rd magazine is NOT a high capacity kit. Correct ?
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So a follower and a spring for a Sig 226 15rd magazine is NOT a high capacity kit. Correct ?
Nothing in that thread, nor any other I have read at Calguns, can provide an answer to that question.
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Weren't "rebuild kits" banned by yet another law just a few years ago? Isn't this a moot issue now?
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Weren't "rebuild kits" banned by yet another law just a few years ago? Isn't this a moot issue now?
Possibly.

Whether they were banned turns on whether they would be 'large capacity magazine conversion kits'. We don't know if they are what the law proscribes.
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Nothing in that thread, nor any other I have read at Calguns, can provide an answer to that question.
I am not a lawyer, but the only way I can interpret a " conversion kit" , would be that it is something that can CONVERT a 10 round magazine to a 10+ magazine. A spring for a Beretta 30rd magazine , can not convert a 10 OR a 15 rd magazine to a 20 OR 30 round magazine. Therefore a spring is not a conversion kit.

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From the info I have read the real issue was selling the mag bodies, not necessarily the base plate or springs.
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From the info I have read the real issue was selling the mag bodies, not necessarily the base plate or springs.
Exactly . In my younger days, Gunlist and Shotgun News had MAGAZINE REBUILD KITS for sale. They included follower, spring and base plate ONLY. If You bought one You could not assemble a complete magazine. We have magazine parts at the range so officers could replace worn out springs and followers . Those parts are not considered CONVERSION KITS.

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I am not a lawyer, but the only way I can interpret a " conversion kit" , would be that it is something that can CONVERT a 10 round magazine to a 10+ magazine. A spring for a Beretta 30rd magazine , can not convert a 10 OR a 15 rd magazine to a 20 OR 30 round magazine. Therefore a spring is not a conversion kit.
You're free to act as you perceive your best interests.

But if challenged - a very remote possibility, I think - you would have to convince a jury. With no information at all on what the state thinks is enough for a 'large-capacity conversion kit' and the, IMO ambiguous, text of the law, I perceive my best interests are to avoid the issue entirely.
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So can I use my 30 round mag if it's blocked and really only holds 10 rounds?
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If the companies refused shipment to "San Francisco" Herrera would have been SOL.

Other jurstictions could bring lawsuits but it seems to be a SF thing. The state didn't ask to be enjoined for some reason
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So can I use my 30 round mag if it's blocked and really only holds 10 rounds?
Yes.
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You're free to act as you perceive your best interests.

But if challenged - a very remote possibility, I think - you would have to convince a jury. With no information at all on what the state thinks is enough for a 'large-capacity conversion kit' and the, IMO ambiguous, text of the law, I perceive my best interests are to avoid the issue entirely.
Common sense would dictate that a "large capacity conversion kit" would be any part or set of parts which when installed into a 10 round magazine, causes it to be able to hold and fire more than ten rounds. Obviously the mag tubes are the most obvious part.
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