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Keeping in line with their usual upside down logic, and less than a year after Gunmageddon to tighten the noose on legal, law abiding gun owners......... Our dear overlords in this great state come up with this gem!

http://www.latimes.com/politics/esse...htmlstory.html
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I'm not at all surprised. Seems about right for CA lawmakers.
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Criminals are safer than guns. Let's welcome them in your neighbor just don't move where we (overlords) live.
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Sen. Steven Bradford (D-Gardena) said he introduced the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison even though he denied shooting the gun.
And everyone knows that gangbanging thugs, involved in drive byes, ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH

Makes you wonder if the gangbanger is Mr Bradford's nephew or some such.
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And everyone knows that gangbanging thugs, involved in drive byes, ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH

Makes you wonder if the gangbanger is Mr Bradford's nephew or some such.
You gotta understand, the kid had a future, he was going to college....
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And everyone knows that gangbanging thugs, involved in drive byes, ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH

Makes you wonder if the gangbanger is Mr Bradford's nephew or some such.
He did it! No he did it! Actually neither of them did it, it the shots came from another car!
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Keeping in line with their usual upside down logic, and less than a year after Gunmageddon to tighten the noose on legal, law abiding gun owners......... Our dear overlords in this great state come up with this gem!

http://www.latimes.com/politics/esse...htmlstory.html
it should be pretty clear to everyone why they do these stupid things...
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So if a kid is in a car, and one of the other passengers decides to light some guy up in another car, why should that first kid get a mandatory minimum, not having anything to do with it?
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So if a kid is in a car, and one of the other passengers decides to light some guy up in another car, why should that first kid get a mandatory minimum, not having anything to do with it?
There's consequences for choosing the people that we choose to associate with in our lives. If you're hanging out with a group (gang) of people that are in to pimping, drug dealing, shooting at eachother, ect...... Then you shouldn't be surprised if you end up dead or in jail because of those choices.

These sentences are meant to serve as not only punishment, but examples for the rest of society to learn from.
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I would bet the police has proof that shots came from a certain car and also had proof who was in the car but had no way to prove who actually fired the shots. In such a case the DA has no choice but to go after everyone in the car on a equal basis.
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Just when I thought I couldn't possibly hate CA anymore than I already do, CA finds a way to surprise me.

My hats off to you CA. Touche
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And look what demographic Bradford represents. I bet it is because most of his constituents are convicted felons as are a great many potential demoncrap voters. This is one of the reason the demoncrap party wants to allow felons the right to vote.

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15 years is nothing to sneeze at. If a would be criminal isn't deterred from a drive by with a 15 year sentence hanging on them, then a 25 year one won't do much either.
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So if a kid is in a car, and one of the other passengers decides to light some guy up in another car, why should that first kid get a mandatory minimum, not having anything to do with it?
mandatory minimum's in itself are wrong, just like the 3 strikes law that created it's own mess

EVERY case should be judged on it's own facts - tying a judges hands on sentencing isn't necessarily always a good thing

believe me, i like to see thugs and criminals go away for as long as possible, just as much as anyone else - but, i do support fairness in sentencing too and every case has it's own story which needs to be a factor too
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There's consequences for choosing the people that we choose to associate with in our lives. If you're hanging out with a group (gang) of people that are in to pimping, drug dealing, shooting at eachother, ect...... Then you shouldn't be surprised if you end up dead or in jail because of those choices.

These sentences are meant to serve as not only punishment, but examples for the rest of society to learn from.
You still side stepped my question.
Bangers aren't the only people that shoot at each other.
Remember the case of that old guy who shot into that car of teens who had their music "too loud"? If that old guy had his son or grandson in the car with him who was older than 17; mandatory minimum for that guy. You can't squirm your way out of that, or you would be squirming your way out of mandatory minimums.
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Mandatory minimums are set in place because we can't trust judges to make the proper decisions when it comes to sentencing.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ght=sex+sister

We also can't trust judges to follow the constitution and leave politics at the door, like we peasants must do when we walk through our work place door...

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15 years is nothing to sneeze at. If a would be criminal isn't deterred from a drive by with a 15 year sentence hanging on them, then a 25 year one won't do much either.
I really don't understand this logic. 15 years is about 8 w/good behavior. Would that be ok with you if someone held your family at gunpoint? Or took shots at you but happen to miss? I wouldn't be, whether I'm the victim or someone else is.

Our justice system is already a joke. Punishments never fit the crime, and prison reinforces the behavior that landed them there.

This is just another layer of icing on our bright blue liberal cake.
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I can see that people who understand sentencing laws in California are providing insightful commentary on what SB620 would do. Like giving an example of 15 at half. An enhancement under Penal Code section 12022.5 or Penal Code section 12022.53 makes a crime violent under Penal Code 667.5. A person convicted of a violent crime must do at least 85% of the sentence, which has been enhanced. A Penal Code section 12022.53 enhancement is an additional 10 years, an additional 15 years, or a life sentence.
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I really don't understand this logic. 15 years is about 8 w/good behavior. Would that be ok with you if someone held your family at gunpoint? Or took shots at you but happen to miss? I wouldn't be, whether I'm the victim or someone else is.

Our justice system is already a joke. Punishments never fit the crime, and prison reinforces the behavior that landed them there.

This is just another layer of icing on our bright blue liberal cake.
If someone took shots at me they'd get some back. I assume you'd do the same. I'm simply disagreeing with the argument that more time deters a criminal.
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Another shocker from the linked article:

"It passed 22-14 with all of the support from Democrats. Republicans and a few Democrats opposed the bill or withheld their votes."





The group responsibility thing has been around for a long time. It's how we get a bank robbery conviction for the getaway driver, or a murder conviction if somebody is killed inside the bank.

Last time I looked*, any member of a group from which one member attacks you is also culpable and subject to the same legal self-defense response. In other words, you run into 10 disenchanted yutes on the street, one waves a weapon and says he's going to kill you, legally the other 9 who may have been looking the other way and discussing where to go to eat can be engaged justifiably. Of course, the idea of killing all 10 of them brings up the ol' just because something's legal doesn't mean it's right subject.



* Which was like 20 years ago and I'm too lazy to go see if it's been reversed, which I would probably do if I was getting a carry permit.
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There's consequences for choosing the people that we choose to associate with in our lives. If you're hanging out with a group (gang) of people that are in to pimping, drug dealing, shooting at eachother, ect...... Then you shouldn't be surprised if you end up dead or in jail because of those choices.

These sentences are meant to serve as not only punishment, but examples for the rest of society to learn from.
Did you say Pimping??? Pimping aint easy. If it was, we would all be doing it.
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Man... the Sac. Town Prog/Commie new Democrats are right out of a Bizzaro world comic book.
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His brushes with illegal political activity did not stop him from being invited to assist U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein’s campaign.
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bottom line

some deserve to go down in flames, they're in it together

sometimes, by chance, you could end up being with the wrong "friend" at the wrong time
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15 years is nothing to sneeze at. If a would be criminal isn't deterred from a drive by with a 15 year sentence hanging on them, then a 25 year one won't do much either.

But someone may survive who otherwise wouldn't during those ten years that fool can run around. It is also about the message that you are sending. I listen to these guys talk and they get it. It is funny to hear them talk about leaving the state because they have two strikes.
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If someone took shots at me they'd get some back. I assume you'd do the same. I'm simply disagreeing with the argument that more time deters a criminal.
That's exactly what I'm calling into question.

Respectfully, the thought that more years won't deter crime, makes no logical sense.

Is one more likely to rob a store if the punishment is 15 years or 50 years?
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15 years is nothing to sneeze at. If a would be criminal isn't deterred from a drive by with a 15 year sentence hanging on them, then a 25 year one won't do much either.
No but it might make someone not inclined to violence to stay away from "hiz boyz" while they ridin' pullin' licks if he knows he can get rung up just for being there.
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Did you say Pimping??? Pimping aint easy. If it was, we would all be doing it.
I had a feeling you'd be chiming in Pimpin'...... My dawg!
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You still side stepped my question.
Bangers aren't the only people that shoot at each other.
Remember the case of that old guy who shot into that car of teens who had their music "too loud"? If that old guy had his son or grandson in the car with him who was older than 17; mandatory minimum for that guy. You can't squirm your way out of that, or you would be squirming your way out of mandatory minimums.
The DA would do their job to figure out who is a suspect and who is a witness. The 12 in the box is another level to check the system. Once you fail at those 2 levels then the mandatory sentencing comes into affect.

The grandson that so happens to be present when his Grandpa flips out, out of the blue will get due consideration from the both the DA and the Jury before reaching any sentencing.

At the point where an individual is actually tried and convicted..... Let em' fry

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I think you are missing the fact that by the time they reach the mandatory sentencing they have already been tried and convicted of involvement in the violent felony. To take it easy on this faction of society is just wrong.
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That's exactly what I'm calling into question.

Respectfully, the thought that more years won't deter crime, makes no logical sense.

Is one more likely to rob a store if the punishment is 15 years or 50 years?
Well, a 25 year mandatory sentence didn't stop that guy from riding in the car with criminals.

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No but it might make someone not inclined to violence to stay away from "hiz boyz" while they ridin' pullin' licks if he knows he can get rung up just for being there.
You honestly think those guys think "25 years for a robbery? Heck no! 15 though? Yea I can do that." Come on man. They're not thinking about the consequences. You could make the punishment be the death penalty and it wouldn't make a difference.
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If he was in the car at the time of the drive-by and didn't fire the shot then he knows who did. I'm sure that had he testified as to who the shooter was that he would not have gotten the added sentence and most likely would have been given time served and probation.

He made his choice. If he does the 85% then that means that for the next 21 years and 3 months he won't be involved in any drive by shootings.
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So if a kid is in a car, and one of the other passengers decides to light some guy up in another car, why should that first kid get a mandatory minimum, not having anything to do with it?
Your assuming the kid was telling the truth. Besides that the kid was likely eligible for Gang enhancements on top of the shooting. Remember that in California if you are an accomplice to a felony you are all so guilty of the felony. And I bet the kid did not cooperate with the cops.
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California loony left is doing everything they can to shorten prison terms and release prisoners, public safety be damned. It is going to get a lot worse in the future.
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Liberals demand gun controls on non criminals, but prefer to be soft on criminals who use guns.

Wacko idiots. These legislators deserve nothing less than to be beaten, raped and then burned alive by these thugs they want to give a pass to.

Disgusting.
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Well, a 25 year mandatory sentence didn't stop that guy from riding in the car with criminals.



You honestly think those guys think "25 years for a robbery? Heck no! 15 though? Yea I can do that." Come on man. They're not thinking about the consequences. You could make the punishment be the death penalty and it wouldn't make a difference.
I'm not talking about the ones that don't consider the consequences. You won't hear about the people that it does deter, because, well obviously they were deterred. It doesn't mean it will stop everyone. I do think that there is a faction of society that considers the consequences and decides against the crime.

Just like you don't hear about all the victims that an armed defender successfully wards off without firing a shot.
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So if a kid is in a car, and one of the other passengers decides to light some guy up in another car, why should that first kid get a mandatory minimum, not having anything to do with it?
uh huh... and if the good boy didn't hang with the bad boy, he walks... or if he hangs with the bad boy and really is a good boy that didn't pull the trigger, then he should have turned States Evidence on the bad boy and walk..or they can both hang together, either way, play stupid games, win stupid prizes
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