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Old 01-11-2018, 9:46 AM
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Good morning, I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on an order for a Fusion long slide assembly but torn about the cut options. It's going to be for a hunting rig chambered for 10mm and I'm leaning towards slab side with no cuts or front serrations.

Is there any practical advantage to having it ball or conventional cut vs slab?

Thanks for your thoughts.

My wife also knew I was having a tough time deciding what length to get so she mocked out images of 6" and 7" slab side on a TRP full rail.





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I envy you being able to get a new Fusion pistol. I like having front serrations. It is just a personal thing. My DW PM-7 doesn't have them and it doesn't affect the functionality of the gun at all.
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Slab would be a no mill cut. Ball milled seems to look nicer IMO.




Slab looks good if the dust cover extends out all the way to the front end of slide. Bevel the bottom edges of the slide to have it blend to the width of the frame will make it look awesome.



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I believe there are 3 reasons (though I am not sure if they are officially what drove JMB design choice) for Stirrup Cuts.

1. Weight reduction for better balance - even more cut away at the front on a Hi Power (9mm)
2. Easier holsering - even more cut away on a high power.
3. Aesthetics

Since you are going with 10mm which needs a stronger recoil spring, I would assume the felt recoil will benefit from a heavier slide, in which case you won't need to go up to 20lb recoil spring. 18lb may actually work well especially if you also get the Square bottom Firing Pin Stop and go up in Mainspring power - 25lb from standard 23lb.

to aid in holstering, I would at least chamfer the front bottom corners of the slab slide...
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Which ever you go with, NO front serrations. It only serves as a lint magnet, and no rails unless if you abso-frigging-lutely need a gun that has a light attached. I never saw a use for either feature on a 1911.
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There's also carry cuts...in case you didn't have enough choices already.

It's all a very personal decision. I'm not a fan of ball cuts. I like slab side but probably wouldn't ever choose them. YMMV
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I LOVE Ball Cuts AND Carry Cuts / Hi-power cuts!
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I'd also make sure they actually pin the ejector.
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A hunting rig?

You must have small deer in your area. Any possible encounter with black bear?

Do yourself a favor and get a Ruger .44 Mag. I don't care if it is an old 3-screw Ruger SBH or a Redhawk .44.

The 10mm is an adequate cartridge but the jacketed bullet at .40 cal does not impress me as a game stopper.

A .44 cal 240 grain or even heavier makes much more sense.
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A hunting rig?

You must have small deer in your area. Any possible encounter with black bear?

Do yourself a favor and get a Ruger .44 Mag. I don't care if it is an old 3-screw Ruger SBH or a Redhawk .44.

The 10mm is an adequate cartridge but the jacketed bullet at .40 cal does not impress me as a game stopper.

A .44 cal 240 grain or even heavier makes much more sense.
It's for jackrabbit, feral pig eradication and backup wilderness gun. It will not have sights only milled and fitted for a Leupold DeltaPoint Pro. I currently use G40 and knocking the crap out of the critters out to 100+ yds.

I ran backcountry trips in MT and WY. A lot of folks preferred Blackhawks. My primary wilderness carry is the S&W 629 that goes in a holster on the chest strap of my pack next to 2 speed loaders. Usually loaded with 320 gr hard cast. We never carried loads with jacketed bullets. We typically chase off black bears. There were things bigger, bolder and more dangerous, namely moose and grizzlies. Fortunately, in the 10+ years that I made those trips, I never even had to draw, let alone shoot any. Came across several moose and a couple of grizzlies but all passed without incident.

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Anyone have a reference link for pictures of all these various cuts?

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Thanks for the comments, everyone. I agree that a lot of it is aesthetics and personal preference. I was mostly curious if there was some mechanical advantage like less friction and thus smoother action or something. I am leaning towards the slab side. I really like the utiliitarian plain 'ol sledgehammer look but maybe a small radius ball cut might help break it up a bit.

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Anyone have a reference link for pictures of all these various cuts?

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Here's one place to start. http://www.dcengraving.com/clevinger-customs

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Are these extension ok in Cali? I’d love to get a 1911 like that!


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Actually, Chuck Rogers does quite a bit of different types of cuts...

http://www.rogersprecision.com/
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Decided to take my Colt 1911 for customization. The ball cuts.....basically lining up the slide cuts with the length of the frame, do add a nice touch to the pistol. Think of it as ordering custom suits. The added aesthetic details make it "nicer" than a standard off the rack 1911.
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http://www.rogersprecision.com/
Nice, I saw one if his promo pics during a Google search for the various cuts. I'm also taking a page from your playbook, so to speak. I really liked the 1911 you posted on 1911 pics thread
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Nice, I saw one if his promo pics during a Google search for the various cuts. I'm also taking a page from your playbook, so to speak. I really liked the 1911 you posted on 1911 pics thread
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Yup, his work is excellent. Just to put it in perspective, he works on WC, Baer and other high profile 1911s and makes them better.

If you go with a 7" slide I think even if you have ball cuts on it the recoil spring weight will still be lower, around 18 lb, and the recoil should actually feel soft.

Are you sending your gun to Fusion, or do you plan on fitting the slide to the frame yourself?
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It's for jackrabbit, feral pig eradication and backup wilderness gun. It will not have sights only milled and fitted for a Leupold DeltaPoint Pro. I currently use G40 and knocking the crap out of the critters out to 100+ yds.
Be aware that if you plan on using it in California, lead free will be a must in the very near future for the jackrabbits and feral pig eradication. Lead free is, I believe, currently required for depredation already.

I had a 10mm I used for a hunting pistol and for depredation hogs, but now that lead free is or will shortly be required, and after trying like hell to find a lead free 10mm load that had more oomph than a mediocre standard 40S&W load, that pistol has been retired while I'm in the field.

Which reminds me, once again, I need to sit down and finish my 460 Rowland on a Caspian Race Ready Recon frame and 5" slide that is right near the end of being done, and that I haven't managed to touch in nearly a year now.
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Yup, his work is excellent. Just to put it in perspective, he works on WC, Baer and other high profile 1911s and makes them better.

If you go with a 7" slide I think even if you have ball cuts on it the recoil spring weight will still be lower, around 18 lb, and the recoil should actually feel soft.

Are you sending your gun to Fusion, or do you plan on fitting the slide to the frame yourself?
I routinely do drills with my 629 so I'm not worried about recoil. I still find the 10 mm to be pretty snappy but very manageable. It will be interesting to see how much softer it gets.

I will most likely send them everything and have them set it up. I've heard that SA 1911 tolerances can be all over the place so I'd rather the pros deal with it.



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I do prefer ball cuts to slab slide in MOST things I see though.
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Be aware that if you plan on using it in California, lead free will be a must in the very near future for the jackrabbits and feral pig eradication. Lead free is, I believe, currently required for depredation already.

I had a 10mm I used for a hunting pistol and for depredation hogs, but now that lead free is or will shortly be required, and after trying like hell to find a lead free 10mm load that had more oomph than a mediocre standard 40S&W load, that pistol has been retired while I'm in the field.

Which reminds me, once again, I need to sit down and finish my 460 Rowland on a Caspian Race Ready Recon frame and 5" slide that is right near the end of being done, and that I haven't managed to touch in nearly a year now.
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Slab side!
Adds just a little more weight up front which will help on any needed quick follow up shots.
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Which ever you go with, NO front serrations. It only serves as a lint magnet, and no rails unless if you abso-frigging-lutely need a gun that has a light attached. I never saw a use for either feature on a 1911.
^^ This. I bought a PM7 simply because it was a good deal. FCS are usually a deal breaker for me.

Now I'm looking at one of those 10mm conversion slides...

As for the ball cuts... they appeal to me.
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Good morning, I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on an order for a Fusion long slide assembly but torn about the cut options. It's going to be for a hunting rig chambered for 10mm and I'm leaning towards slab side with no cuts or front serrations.

Is there any practical advantage to having it ball or conventional cut vs slab?

Thanks for your thoughts.

My wife also knew I was having a tough time deciding what length to get so she mocked out images of 6" and 7" slab side on a TRP full rail.



If it is going to be a hunting pistol in 10mm, the 7" long slide slab side would be ideal with that platform. Forget the rail and forget the cuts. It's not going to be a BBQ gun, it will be a tool designed for hunting. You will need the longer sight radius for a more accurate shot. A longer dust cover on the frame would be ideal, if available. The extra weight at the muzzle will be beneficial, also.

Long time ago I shot a friend's AMT long slide 7" .45 and it was great, and I am a 1911 Government 5" .45 guy.

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If it is going to be a hunting pistol in 10mm, the 7" long slide slab side would be ideal with that platform. Forget the rail and forget the cuts. It's not going to be a BBQ gun, it will be a tool designed for hunting. You will need the longer sight radius for a more accurate shot. A longer dust cover on the frame would be ideal, if available. The extra weight at the muzzle will be beneficial, also.

Long time ago I shot a friend's AMT long slide 7" .45 and it was great, and I am a 1911 Government 5" .45 guy.

Good luck with your project, sir!

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Thanks, Jim. As I mentioned earlier I'm leaning towards a plain 7" slab. I'm using my SA 1911 TRP full rail so a 7" slide will have a little over 2 inches extend beyond the dust cover.

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Thanks, Jim. As I mentioned earlier I'm leaning towards a plain 7" slab. I'm using my SA 1911 TRP full rail so a 7" slide will have a little over 2 inches extend beyond the dust cover.
That open area will expose the recoil spring to dirt and such on a hunting pistol. I don't follow rail pistols much, so is there an attachment to the rail that would cover that area?

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That open area will expose the recoil spring to dirt and such on a hunting pistol. I don't follow rail pistols much, so is there an attachment to the rail that would cover that area?

Just asking.

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Jim, there is no opening there. The frame dust cover and slide spring plug tunnel (dust cover) overlap.
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It's a custom shop. Depends on what you want. I'm still trying to finalize details for my own project but if all you want is a slide assembly kit and have the ability to fit it to your frame then check out their listed items and consult with them https://www.fusionfirearms.com

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It's a custom shop. Depends on what you want. I'm still trying to finalize details for my own project but if all you want is a slide assembly kit and have the ability to fit it to your frame then check out their listed items and consult with them https://www.fusionfirearms.com

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Been looking for a 7” slide for a while now. I don’t see the slide on their web site? Is the slide a special order item?
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Been looking for a 7” slide for a while now. I don’t see the slide on their web site? Is the slide a special order item?
I believe production just started. This is how the slides start out. Contact them for details.

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If for hunting, I prefer function 1st... so can you run a slick slide with gloves and or cold hands? If yes then serrations are not needed and would just be cosmetic.


If you shoot where you wear gloves, light rain, or might need to run the slide is less than ideal settings, grasping grooves are an excellent choice.


If shooting long range, will you use shooting sticks?

If yes, are there sticks that work with Pictatinney rails???

If shooting squirrel and Rabbits, is a red dot a possibility?
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If for hunting, I prefer function 1st... so can you...
I always prefer function, form follows. Always.

I'm leaning towards a plain slab with no front or rear serrations and milled for a Leupold DelatPoint Pro with no other sights. I actually rack slides between front and rear serrations and a big fat long slide will provide plenty of grip for me.

The only time we've used sticks is when still hunting with rifles and for long shots with pistols we typically lean on fence posts, trees or straw bales or use the ATV seat as a rest. If nothing is available to use as rest then I shoot from sitting position with elbows on knees. It's actually one of my favorite positions but I'm slowly finding that I'm not quite as limber as I was!

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