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Old 02-10-2019, 10:51 AM
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https://www.libertynation.com/bracin...in-new-mexico/

"Less than six weeks into her first term as governor of New Mexico, Michelle Lujan-Grisham (D) has reignited the call to disarm residents through a plethora of punitive gun control bills. She is ready to eviscerate rural landowners, farmers, and ranchers with House Bill 366, the so-called “Wildlife protection and public safety act” that would ban all trapping on public lands – hitting violators with the heaviest fines in the nation..."

Friends I don't have the answers for this invasion of once free states by the ignorant and maybe even stupid voters but we now add New Mexico into the recently fallen states joining Colorado!
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I would encourage each you to join the NRA and its state affiliate, the RNC and each state republican affiliate. Working together we still have the power to reverse this diabolical trend of the socialist agenda of gun control and eventually the destruction of American liberty.

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Maybe New Mexico should move the governor's mansion south, so far south the back wall of the house marks the border.

I imagine her outlook on firearms would change and change rather quickly.
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Just goes to show the fight is HERE. The relief experienced by folks bailing out of California will be temporary at best.
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Just goes to show the fight is HERE. The relief experienced by folks bailing out of California will be temporary at best.
Temporary relief is better than nothing. There is no benefit at all to staying in Kali.
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Temporary relief is better than nothing. There is no benefit at all to staying in Kali.
California does have a lot of public shooting ranges where many people enjoy target shooting.
In that sense its a good place to talk with people about joining the NRA and voting their recommended candidates.

If enough people join and encourage others to join at the very least when these people do re locate they will not be a liability to their new state as many currently are.
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I have been talking about this demographic problem for years. People would laugh or eant to fight me about this. Now my friends who moved out of state often talk about this.
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Will your state be next ?..judging from this latest run of Demoncraps to the house, & this latest news, I say yes, yes it is....

Seems once again, you can run, but you can't hide, from this tyranny, & injustice.
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Judging by comments made by wifes liberal friends, once they retire and see how much of the income they have go to socialist programs they want out. Then they start all over in their new state.
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I'm sorry to say it but if conservatives can't get off their butts, maybe pull their thumbs out while they're at it, they get what they deserve.

I moved to NM a couple of years ago thinking it isn't all that bad for a blue state.

Then comes the 2018 election and libtards took power.

I'm part of a gun club that is thousands strong. We have a taste of gunmeggedon working its way through the state legislature (manditory background checks, red flag violation of due process law, and a couple others I can't recall off the top of my head) The governor and libtards are talking about "assault" weapons and regular cap mag ban, too.

I've reached out to the gun club executives trying to get them to put out an email blast...and nothing happens. I've emailed, called, and texted mh gun owning friends, urging them to contact their reps...more nothing happens. Tried to organize people to go to the committee hearings...and everyone has an excuse.

Just the way it worked when I lived in SoCal. Can't figure out for the life of me why conservatives can't make a few mins once a week to fight for what they cherish. Sorry folks, just donning a molon labe shirt and and talking trash around the water cooler isn't assisting the cause, or any cause.
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Temporary relief is better than nothing. There is no benefit at all to staying in Kali.
Who is staying in CA? Not Me.
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Temporary relief is better than nothing. There is no benefit at all to staying in Kali.

Not a very admirable statement. Perhaps you would like to revise it because it makes you appear to be very weak.
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Not a very admirable statement. Perhaps you would like to revise it because it makes you appear to be very weak.
Looks smart from where I sit- Kali is lost for gun owners. Seems to me that anyone who tries to keep gunners from leaving is just trying to drag others down with them.
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Looks smart from where I sit- Kali is lost for gun owners. Seems to me that anyone who tries to keep gunners from leaving is just trying to drag others down with them.
The point is leaving won't help. Didn't you read the title of this thread? The Second Amendment is under attack Nationwide. After it is neutered, what remains of the Bill of Rights will be next. It is disturbing that the RIGHT thinking posters here choose to ignore that it a cultural War has begun in this country.
"Imma gonna pay less taxes, buy off roster guns, and stock up on plastic straws."
Sadly, our self-reliant perspective too often comes with an unhealthy dose of narcissism.
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What the hell is happening to the Western States that should be bastions for the 2nd Amendment?

Do Republicans/Conservatives not bother to vote?
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Most people do not realize that a state of cold war exists , we are in an active civil or revolutionary war. It just has not progressed to open fighting yet, and may never progress to that point. People are too willing to give up their rights..to avoid being labeled "radical" , "extremest", "racisist", etc. It was declared 10 years ago with the statement "I will fundamentally change this country" . Due to years of indoctrination, Most people do not have a true conservative point of view anymore, but are soft liberals.
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Most people do not realize that a state of cold war exists , we are in an active civil or revolutionary war. It just has not progressed to open fighting yet, and may never progress to that point. People are too willing to give up their rights..to avoid being labeled "radical" , "extremest", "racisist", etc. It was declared 10 years ago with the statement "I will fundamentally change this country" . Due to years of indoctrination, Most people do not have a true conservative point of view anymore, but are soft liberals.
I have no illusions that the country and values I believe in are under siege, none at all. More than fear of being labeled radical, extremist, etc....I believe people are more concerned with being "comfortable" and are not willing take the risks our Founding Fathers did.
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I'm sorry to say it but if conservatives can't get off their butts, maybe pull their thumbs out while they're at it, they get what they deserve.

I moved to NM a couple of years ago thinking it isn't all that bad for a blue state.

Then comes the 2018 election and libtards took power.

I'm part of a gun club that is thousands strong. We have a taste of gunmeggedon working its way through the state legislature (manditory background checks, red flag violation of due process law, and a couple others I can't recall off the top of my head) The governor and libtards are talking about "assault" weapons and regular cap mag ban, too.

I've reached out to the gun club executives trying to get them to put out an email blast...and nothing happens. I've emailed, called, and texted mh gun owning friends, urging them to contact their reps...more nothing happens. Tried to organize people to go to the committee hearings...and everyone has an excuse.

Just the way it worked when I lived in SoCal. Can't figure out for the life of me why conservatives can't make a few mins once a week to fight for what they cherish. Sorry folks, just donning a molon labe shirt and and talking trash around the water cooler isn't assisting the cause, or any cause.

Thats right Walter!
Personally its my belief we should begin the fight by using the term republican when referring to ourselves. Being a republican and proudly proclaiming such is a trigger for the very stupid and cowardly.
Fighting requires using trigger words to get others involved in the fight.

Unfortunately many of the gun clubs around the USA are really not advocates of RKBA. many in leadership positions are dumbed down by subliminal programming from pay TV including the very anti gun history channel.

You didn't mention whether folks in your large gun club are NRA members or not. IMO the NRA is not only the best way to protect, further and advance RKBA it is the only effective way.


Any gun owner who is NOT NRA should be considered a useless doofus!
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What the hell is happening to the Western States that should be bastions for the 2nd Amendment?

Do Republicans/Conservatives not bother to vote?
I have been looking at this a lot recently, and it seems the biggest indicator of how a state/city/region will vote is the population density. Demographics and income inequality seem to be far less indicative if you look at the numbers. Obviously, this is not a profound idea (everybody knows that urban areas vote blue and rural areas vote red), but there really isn't a reason it needs to be this way with regards to the 2nd amendment. People in cities have just as much of a right to defend themselves as people in the country.

That said, New Mexico seems to be a exception, as the population density and population growth are very low compared to other states. That indicates that it may be a state worth fighting for with regards to the 2nd amendment.

Beware of Nevada and Idaho (fastest growing states).

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My job is in CA. And I love nature and weather here. Hopefully liberties erosion can be stopped for a while if we get lucky and Lagerführerin Ginsburg dies quickly.
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Just goes to show the fight is HERE. The relief experienced by folks bailing out of California will be temporary at best.
I have to disagree with you. I was talking to people until my throat went dry for the PRK's Prop 15 "The Handgun ban initiative". And well before that also, and it's just gotten worse. Sorry to tell you but that State is lost period.
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The point is leaving won't help. Didn't you read the title of this thread? The Second Amendment is under attack Nationwide. After it is neutered, what remains of the Bill of Rights will be next. It is disturbing that the RIGHT thinking posters here choose to ignore that it a cultural War has begun in this country.
"Imma gonna pay less taxes, buy off roster guns, and stock up on plastic straws."
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Um, even if I accepted the premise that all of the US will eventually fall to gun-hating Democrats, my argument is still true- move out of California to a Red State and you will at least enjoy your RKBA for some time until your state falls too. Staying in California is a dead-end for anyone who values their RKBA. There is no fight to be won here. I don't understand why supposedly pro-gun guys would try to convince other gun guys to stay in Kali?
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Because fight is not lost. We are - may be - one croaky “justice” away from entrenching individual RKBA. Remember how bleak nationwide picture was just 25 years ago?
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Because fight is not lost. We are - may be - one croaky “justice” away from entrenching individual RKBA. Remember how bleak nationwide picture was just 25 years ago?
So your argument is that this future Supreme Court decision is somehow dependent on how many gun guys stay in Kali? So if people leave so they can enjoy their RKBA the SC will rule against RKBA?

I also wonder why people think that when the SC does rule against Kali on some gun law Kali will just roll over and play nice with gun owners. The Democrats who own California feel about gun owners the way Republicans feel about child molesters. If the SC ruled that child molestation was A-OK, would you just accept that? Hell no you wouldn't. You'd try to thwart that ruling every way you could. And that is exactly what Dems will do here. Yes, of course we should still seek help from the SC, it's the only chance we have, but don't kid yourself, no matter what the SC says gunners will still be living in enemy territory in Kali.
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No I mean that running away is not helping anything.

And be honest, even with current onerous and idiotic restrictions and insanity we still own plenty of firepower, and more than half of state can get CCW.

Do I want the damn roster to go away and to be able to carry when I want? Yes. Do I have to leave for that to happen in the foreseeable future, freeze my *** off, and earn quarter of my current income? No.
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No I mean that running away is not helping anything.
Uh, yeah- 'running away' helps the guy who gets out of Kali for a Red State. And contrary to some people's whining, doesn't hurt efforts to help RKBA in Kali.

As for your reasons for staying, fine- I'm not saying people who want to stay shouldn't. I'm pointing out that people who want to leave are doing the right thing for themselves and not hurting the 'fight' in Kali at all.
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"Most people do not realize that a state of cold war exists , we are in an active civil or revolutionary war. "

Yes- its the prelude to a American revisitation of Russia Oct 1917- many many things are exactly the same-when the left gains more power (and they will) they will push it even further.

The turned Colorado by importing leftist tools- they changed New Mexico as well.

Arizona and Texas will fall to them..

I think Idaho and Wyoming will be that last states they corrupt. It's damn cold there and not much in the way of freebies so new Democrat Neo- Bolsheviks will not be fond of roosting there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...c_Labour_Party

***"The Russian Social Democratic Workers' Party or the Russian Social Democratic Party, was a revolutionary socialist political party founded in Minsk, Belarus.

Formed to unite the various revolutionary organizations of the Russian Empire into one party in 1898, the RSDLP later split into Bolsheviks (majority) and Mensheviks (minority) factions, " ***

The above will explain the roots of the 'new' American "Democratic Socialists" now the main stream of the Democratic party.

It's the same tired old Communist poison- revamped by Comrade Bernie and AOC..

Not much new under the sun...

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Uh, yeah- 'running away' helps the guy who gets out of Kali for a Red State. And contrary to some people's whining, doesn't hurt efforts to help RKBA in Kali.

As for your reasons for staying, fine- I'm not saying people who want to stay shouldn't. I'm pointing out that people who want to leave are doing the right thing for themselves and not hurting the 'fight' in Kali at all.
One less conservative vote. How many counties communists flipped this cycle? It matters. Margin in house is thin. It can come down to too many cowards bolting from some red county.

If they leave for selfish reasons they hurt the fight.
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"Most people do not realize that a state of cold war exists , we are in an active civil or revolutionary war. "

Yes- its the prelude to a American revisitation of Russia Oct 1917- many many things are exactly the same-when the left gains more power (and they will) they will push it even further.

The turned Colorado by importing leftist tools- they changed New Mexico as well.

Arizona and Texas will fall to them..

I think Idaho and Wyoming will be that last states they corrupt. It's damn cold there and not much in the way of freebies so new Democrat Neo- Bolsheviks will not be fond of roosting there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...c_Labour_Party

***"The Russian Social Democratic Workers' Party or the Russian Social Democratic Party, was a revolutionary socialist political party founded in Minsk, Belarus.

Formed to unite the various revolutionary organizations of the Russian Empire into one party in 1898, the RSDLP later split into Bolsheviks (majority) and Mensheviks (minority) factions, " ***

The above will explain the roots of the 'new' American "Democratic Socialists" now the main stream of the Democratic party.

It's the same tired old Communist poison- revamped by Comrade Bernie and AOC..

Not much new under the sun...
Well said Sir !
Just ran across this and it affirms you are correct.
https://amgreatness.com/2019/01/29/i...t-our-enemies/

The exaggerated, weird loathing of President Trump and all Republicans—that flies in the face of our peace and prosperity—is the daily work of thousands of professional leftists. #TheResistance is their dream come true, as in Barack Obama’s Dreams from My Father."

"The socialist plan to create anger and chaos to undermine America is happening all around us right now. Yet we ignore it. It doesn’t fit into our image of America. It comes with an aura of unreality. We’d rather make snarky comments about snowflakes and peoples’ heads exploding than get serious.

You can’t defeat an implacable enemy you refuse to name or wilfully underestimate...."
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...Arizona and Texas will fall to them..
We may find out about Arizona soon...

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The point is leaving won't help. Didn't you read the title of this thread? The Second Amendment is under attack Nationwide. After it is neutered, what remains of the Bill of Rights will be next. It is disturbing that the RIGHT thinking posters here choose to ignore that it a cultural War has begun in this country.
"Imma gonna pay less taxes, buy off roster guns, and stock up on plastic straws."
Sadly, our self-reliant perspective too often comes with an unhealthy dose of narcissism.
I guess you guys are just following the admonishment by JFK:
"Ask NOT, what the fallen Warriors gave for your freedom, or what you must do to keep it. Ask your realtor and your financial planner how to live in a bigger house, and how to maximize your comfort in retirement."
Pretty much what I was trying to get him to understand. Think of it this way, we used to say "when the going gets tough, the tough get going." Now it is,"when the going gets tough, run away." But I specifically took issue to his statement admitting that his "fix" is purely temporary.
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If you want to know what's going to happen study in depth the Russian revolution...

I started to study it seriously post 2008- when the Socialist New Peoples party member gained power. Been warning people since then.

Pay special attention to the "Cheka". And observe what has happened to the FBI-etc...

The New Political police.

The new Democrats do not even bother to deny that they are straight up Socialist/Communists.

And brain dead to history the useless idiots follow them...

They will be lead right into Caracas.

And be down to selling themselves for hard currency and eating cats and dogs and zoo animals.. The usual Communist paradise.

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link to a related Nevada thread . . .

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"Most people do not realize that a state of cold war exists , we are in an active civil or revolutionary war. "

Yes- its the prelude to a American revisitation of Russia Oct 1917- many many things are exactly the same-when the left gains more power (and they will) they will push it even further.

The turned Colorado by importing leftist tools- they changed New Mexico as well.

Arizona and Texas will fall to them..

I think Idaho and Wyoming will be that last states they corrupt. It's damn cold there and not much in the way of freebies so new Democrat Neo- Bolsheviks will not be fond of roosting there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...c_Labour_Party

***"The Russian Social Democratic Workers' Party or the Russian Social Democratic Party, was a revolutionary socialist political party founded in Minsk, Belarus.

Formed to unite the various revolutionary organizations of the Russian Empire into one party in 1898, the RSDLP later split into Bolsheviks (majority) and Mensheviks (minority) factions, " ***

The above will explain the roots of the 'new' American "Democratic Socialists" now the main stream of the Democratic party.

It's the same tired old Communist poison- revamped by Comrade Bernie and AOC..

Not much new under the sun...
If Texas goes blue there will never be another conservative in the white house ever again.
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