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SA/DA - 9mm.
Hey Fellas,
For my next I’m looking for a decent SA/DA 9mm… I’ve narrowed my search to: CZ 75B (Hard to come by right now) Beretta 92FS (M9) (order) FNP-9 (I really like this unit, but will have to be ordered as well). Any other quality piece I’ve left out? I’m trying to stay under $600 before tax and all other applicable fees. Also, anyone have experience with these units?
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Ha ha, check out my thread, I just took my CZ-75b SP-01 to the range. It's fantastic!
I don't own all three, but I've shot all three. You can't go wrong with any of them. My preference is the CZ though just for no real reason. A new 75s trigger will smooth out after a while, but mine started off gritty. My friend's FNP had a very nice trigger on it. As with any pistol comparison question, you just have to go shoot all three and buy the one that puts more bullets in the bullseye! Is the Browning Hipower DA/SA? |
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I have only shot 4 9mm's
glock 17 sa xd 9mm 4inch some no name 9mm when i was 15 berreta 92sf I was able to get the best grouping with the glock 17 gen 3 no gen 4 for me yet lol. i have an xd 9mm 4inch which i really enjoy but im getting 1/2in better grouping average with glock. we use the beretta 92 for our side arm in the AF they're not bad but are little over 600 by themselves. |
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CZ is a good choice, they shoot well.
I will second the HK though if you can find one used you can get in your price range. You can run it cocked and locked like a 1911 (SA) or run it DA/SA. Also, the slide has to be the easiest to manipulate for all my handguns. great shooter and RELIABLE. It's my nightstand gun. |
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I would highly recommend CZ-75 SP01. It's worth the extra effort to find it. The gun is solidly built, and has that satisfying heft that comes with a well made product. This weight makes the recoil of the 9mm cartridge feel like a .22lr and follow up shots are simply too easy. The slide-in-frame design makes for a lower bore over grip height and really helps keep a solid fit between slide and frame. Some people may think that the slide in frame design makes it harder to operate the slide, but with the agressive racking serrations and factory night sights, slide manipulation for clearing jams, reloading, and other drills is quite easy. The CZ-SP01 also has a very natural and comfortable grip angle, which makes shooting multitudes of rounds very enjoyable. The trigger for the CZ is nice and smooth in SA but the reset is not as defined as it is in a glock. DA is a bit long IMHO, but doable. Personally, I would carry this gun cocked and locked.
I cannot speak for the FN, but I have shot the beretta when I was initially shopping for guns. Personally, I find the grip to be too wide and slightly clumsy in my hands. Then again, I have slender medium hands. Go shoot them all and see what makes you happiest. Mechanically speaking, they're all solid choices. Hope this helps! |
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I did; I didn't like the feel, it felt too fat for my lil hands... Quote:
I really wish Sig had them rolling in but they have been on order for a while. I was waiting for Turners to catch up on deliveries but they are still pretty backlogged. Essentially, I can't wait for the SP2022 anymore so I've started to look into other units, it was actually my first option, but I'm impatient.
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LOL, then I might have issues with that one...I've got lil hands (I'd say medium)...sigh. haha
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Rule out the HK then. Maybe the HK compact (which is about the size of a lot of full size guns) could be a good fit.
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Are you referring to the Sig's mag? If so, geesh! Looking, waiting for one. Quote:
I looked at the XDm 4.5 but no hammer (SA/DA). Quote:
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I run a full size M&P .40/.357 sig, and have no issues, then again, I do have the small backstraps on. HK comparable in size to the MP?
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Cz, fnp, or sig 2022
can't go wrong and all under $600
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Not really in grip size. The M&P (IMO) has a much better ergo design. But if you have handled a Beretta then you can handle the USP. No worries.
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All the guys I know that have CZs love them. I don't want to throw a wrench into the works, but the SAO CZ75 is a sweet trigger even out of the box. It comes darn near close to a 1911 after a trigger job from what I understand. But it's not a DA/SA. I have to tell you that I'm not a big fan of DA/SA, that DA pull is hard to master on the first pull. I was at front site for a 4 day class and the guy with the Sig never got it after 30 hours of shooting, it was always low on his first shot. I run my HK cocked and locked like a 1911 and I even compete with it in IDPA. Not knocking your choice... just my opinion. |
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I hear really, really good things about CZ, particularly the 75b and 75b-Sp-01 Phantom; truly, the only thing holding me back is that I will be on a list with 4 other folks and who knows when I'd get one. With regard to throwing another option in, not at all; I really value what others bring to the table when disussing this stuff. I will look into that unit as well. Thanks. I've read about certain issues relating to DA/SA, but the units I've looked into have a relatively decent setup for what they are.
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It isn't that hard, I can teach it in about an hour. I really think the SIG 2022 is a great gun at a great price, but I'm not great at waiting either...but then I'm always open to buying a used SIG 226 or 228
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I'm looking for something with a "hammer" as well.
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Hmm, I will have to look into this DA Trigger stroke at front sight you speak of. Right now, it's looking FN, CZ, Sig 2022 (If I could wait) or Berretta (still a long list) ha. I will, however, be reviewing the units you guys have suggested. Thanks.
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Im open to shooting at Burro or Angeles as I want to shoot my mauser. I usually dont have weekends off, though.
My 1 year experience with a 2007 manufactured fnp-9: Its my first handgun and shooting it in double was hard for me. I had a bad trigger pull and I was anticipating recoil. I now have 1000 rounds in it and Ive improved. Ive shot it in double action FAR more than I have with the really nice single & am better with it hahah. Next time out Ill only do 20 rounds of all dao then only with the first shot. Both pulls have some..slack/play/let up before the hammer is cocked. The reset is short but since I shoot at restrictive ranges, never fired too quickly. One range lets me try controlled pairs. I dont practice it often but the 2nd shot is quite fast. A negative for me is the mag release button. If you look at it at an angle, its nearly recessed..very annoying! The one time I attempted a quick mag change, I hung up..couldnt release the mag quick enough. Might sand a bit off the frame in that spot. You can flip the release if you want. I like the grip but the sides arent textured enough when my hands get sweaty. I switched to the slim backstrap a while back and I can get a great hold on it although I think I get too much finger on the trigger |
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I will say, that Sig has one of the easiest DA pulls of all my guns. The DA doesn't stack and has a nice consistent pull. I can't say that about my HK, that has a definite change in trigger pull up to the break. But, that's why I don't run it that way. It's got a great SA pull. To each his own, I was just throwing in my opinion. Some people hate dealing with a safety, I find it natural and don't have any issues with transition to my DAO Glocks or M&P to the 1911 or H&K. Last edited by Kodemonkey; 02-16-2012 at 8:09 PM.. |
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My thumbs are tired haha. Oh and I meant the mag release is almost flush with the frame. Take down is stupid simple, I love it. I love the polished feed ramp. My gun had had no problems feeding. Only had 2 malfunctions with factory reloads: One cartridge didnt eject all the way and led to a double feed and the other the cartridge from the last round of a mag just stayed stuck on the slide's face(dunno the proper name). The recoil is pretty nice to me, I dont have to adjust the front sight much at all. Double pull is a heavy one but pulls smoothly. Im assuming mine is 10 or 11lb pull? Feels heavier than the Sigs I dry fired today(standard models). Good value gun as the feedramp is polished, pricepoint and it comes with 3 mags. Cz 75bd was a choice for me too at the time. I plan on getting a target gun from their custom shop sometime
Heres 3 more details(ive been at Kaiser for 2 hours..): Comparing a Sig's decocker and the FNP, the fnh is easier to drop for me. When I was comparing the sp2022 and fn in shop, I didnt realize I had to slide the decocker further down than I thought. Same today with the P220 &P229 & I couldnt really do it well with one small hand. I do like how the Sig decocks better tho. Its quieter and I like that it looks like it drops the hammer in 2 steps. The slide lock/release is kind of hard for me to actuate. At first I thought the slide would catch my skin doing that but the frame wont let that happen. Its just hard for me to press down on it with my thumb. I used to decock on accident doing that too do I just come over the top quickly and let it slide forward. Umm..I forgot the third Last edited by Javi; 02-16-2012 at 7:07 PM.. |
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My CZ SP-01 I just bought (yes, I got very lucky and found one in stock) is as close to perfect (for me) as I've come yet. This gun damn near aims and shoots itself, and I haven't even gotten to practice with it very much yet.
It didn't take long at all for the CZ to replace my Sig as the bedside gun. I have a Beretta 96 (I think it's the same, grip-wise, yes?) & it is a beautiful gun, but the ergonomics are not nearly as good (for me) and I have to concentrate much harder to shoot it well than I do with my 1911 or SP-01. I hear rumblings on the interwebz that the CZ situation may be improving soon, but who really knows? My vote goes to the CZ.
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Thanks guys, im taking all this into consideration...Im going to go handle a few this weekend and hopefully i won't have to wait too long for what feels good in my hand...
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But I'm currently into S&W revolvers... . |
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I will get a CZ someday. The only complaint I have about the gun is the slide is really low profile because of the design. It's a little less to grab on to compared to other things out there. But I have to say, the grip on that gun is a real natural pointer for me. |
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The SA pull on a DA/SA gun is nearly identical to that of a SAO only gun, minus the pretravel due to how the trigger is shaped / staged. Beyond that, same trigger system.
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I'm looking into the S&W 686P, iirc, 7 rounds...
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School me please...
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