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Old 03-27-2017, 4:27 PM
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Sounds like you just got a bad one. Where did you get yours from? I got both of mine from Rainier Arms.

I'm sure P80 will make it right.
To P80's credit, their response was quick in an Email reply early this AM.

They had me "field destroy" the frame by cutting it in half, send them a photo of it and are shipping me a new kit.

They said they may want to see the rear rail assembly so to keep that and the locking block just in case.

Hopefully the shipping does not take too long...
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Is the slide rubbing on the frame? On mine it is very close.



When I first examined the "rear rail module" that came with my frame, it looked like it was nickel plated (which wouldn't make very much sense if it was stainless, IMO). Did you test it with a magnet?
A magnet has some attraction to the rear rail module but noticeably less than the side of my safe so it may be some grade of stainless alloy. Just not sure why it would be plated unless it was intended as a hard chrome wear surface.

Is there a consensus on whether the rear rails typically need to be modified (or not) to get a good alignment?
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I've done a few and the only work was to the width of the front rails, 5 minutes with a stone/test fitting and they ran smoother and tighter than a stock glock. No mods needed to rear rails. Everything else aligned 100%

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i'm waiting for them to roll these out in FDE.
i STILL haven't gotten my 940v1 working, hanging up just before going into battery and disconnector failing sometimes (they say i need to trim some material off the back and file the trigger bar that interfaces with the firing pin block).
i probably could have gotten mine working properly but just haven't put the time into it...
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Is there a consensus on whether the rear rails typically need to be modified (or not) to get a good alignment?
Some people seem to have no problems, and other people seem have a slide that drags to some degree. I think it may be a quality control issue with the rear rail module; that is, some of them might be getting out the door unevenly bent, causing one side to be higher than the other.

Here's an example of someone who apparently had such an issue (and he fixed it):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wD3suNdatU&t

Luckily the rails can be bent a little bit (if done carefully) and/or filed if need be, and from what I'm seeing Polymer80 customer service is responsive as they seem to be taking care of everyone promptly.
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Old 03-28-2017, 8:36 PM
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Does anyone know if I can cut down the dust cover on this to fit a G26 slide?
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Old 03-28-2017, 9:02 PM
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Does anyone know if I can cut down the dust cover on this to fit a G26 slide?
No, it wont work. The bottom part of the front of the slide is wider and the recoil springs/guide rod are wider, similar (identical?) to all the gen 4 ones. There's not enough material to cut out of that dust cover to make it work. Because of the similarity to the gen 4 slides I'm skeptical that they'll ever make a "sub compact" frame.

Also, I think the slide is meant to move further back than that frame will allow.


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Old 03-28-2017, 9:09 PM
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Thanks for the info!
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Old 03-29-2017, 1:35 PM
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Where's the cheapest (sic) place to buy a complete G19 gen 3 upper these days? I was going to get it from "omahaoutdoors.com" - they have it advertised for $419 - but they're out of stock.
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Where's the cheapest (sic) place to buy a complete G19 gen 3 upper these days? I was going to get it from "omahaoutdoors.com" - they have it advertised for $419 - but they're out of stock.
Check gunbroker and check often. you can find them for 340-360 often.
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I got mine off the popular auction site. I saw one there for $440 today. They seem to have gone up about 75% since the PF940C was announced.
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Gunbroker seems to have a few under $400 too.
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Does anyone know if I can cut down the dust cover on this to fit a G26 slide?
The spring on the 26/27 is much wider than the recoil spring on a 19/23. I don't think it'll seat well without more modification.
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Old 03-29-2017, 3:26 PM
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The spring on the 26/27 is much wider than the recoil spring on a 19/23. I don't think it'll seat well without more modification.
Yeah, sounds like a big project. Might just cut the grip down to 26 length and leave it at that.
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Old 03-30-2017, 3:55 PM
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One completed with the eBay stainless slide for $225. Had a lot of tooling scratches that took a good amount of time to sand out. Then bead blasted it at ~45psi and got a nice satin finish on it. May spray it with some matte cerakote clear I have. I'll see how the blasted finish holds up first. I can always blast it again and then clear it.

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One completed with the eBay stainless slide for $225. Had a lot of tooling scratches that took a good amount of time to sand out. Then bead blasted it at ~45psi and got a nice satin finish on it. May spray it with some matte cerakote clear I have. I'll see how the blasted finish holds up first. I can always blast it again and then clear it.

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I should add that I wouldn't recommend an extended magazine release on the PF940C as the cutaways around it make a stand mag release function like an extended.
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Old 03-31-2017, 1:36 AM
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Sorry if this has been asked, but what magwell is that?
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Old 04-01-2017, 11:57 AM
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I just put the upper on my frame (I ended up buying one on ebay), and it seems to be a perfect fit. It basically has no noticeable "slop" yet it functions smoothly.

Hopefully the weather will be better soon so I can take it to the range and test it.

I'm already impressed with it to the point that if there are no surprises, I know I'll be getting at least one more PF940C frame.
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I spoke with the guys at Polymer80 about plans for a G26 and a V2 of the full sized frame with a drop-in rear rail assembly. Both are said to be in the works. The gen 3 G26/27 slide nose and RSA look like they do on gen 4 G19s and G17s.

I think I'll wait to see what Polymer80 comes up with in terms of a compact although it looks like one could replace the RSA and file down the nose of the slide to match the profile of the gen 3 G19/17 and everything else would match up.
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Offering an improved version of the full size (G17) frame would seem to be a smart business move for P80, as lots of people who already have V1 - and $500 worth of parts - would probably jump right on that. I know I would.
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I got very close to the same measurements when I was fitting my slide. The AA .22 conversion slide fit with no issues at all. The G19 needed a bit of filing. Here's my front rails. I only filed the back where it was touching and this was all that was needed to have no friction at all.

thanks for the info. this was also the case for my front rails. the rear portion to fronts rails were ever so slight wider than the front portion, preventing the slide from operating smoothly. Rather than shoot and waste 200-500 more rounds of ammo to have the slide self loosen up with the front rails, I chose to help out and file a tiny bit of the rear part of the front rails. slide action is smoother now than before. hopefully this will solve my FTF issue when cold. next step testing at range.
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I actually took the block out of the frame and filed it down a just a bit more (2-3 drags with a fine file) and polished the uncoated exposed area. I shot a couple of hundred rounds today and it was still flawless.

I was able to try a few different brands of .22lr thru the AA slide and it seems that it likes hotter loads. American Eagle (Federal) was too weak and even their recommended CCI was having issues. My friend's son had some Winchester M-22 and CCI Stingers that ran flawlessly with both modified and unmodified magazines.


*Edit* I was using CCI standard velocity and not the recommended Mini Mags. I finally got my hands on some Remington Golden Bullet 36g HP 525pk but also ordered some Rem GB 40g round nose to try out.

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I think if they shortened the length of the rear rails from front to back, similar to the factory length, there would be less issues with misalignment.
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This is Duracoat (aerosol) in royal bronze, which was a PITA without a proper spray booth and dust free environment. There are a few blemishes and imperfections that bother me but from a distance it looks good.

Alphawolf SS Slide + fluted barrel, rest is mostly OEM Glock




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Old 04-09-2017, 12:12 PM
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Nice!

I just sent my slide and magwell to get cerakoted Tungsten.
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Old 04-11-2017, 9:49 PM
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To P80's credit, their response was quick in an Email reply early this AM.

They had me "field destroy" the frame by cutting it in half, send them a photo of it and are shipping me a new kit.

They said they may want to see the rear rail assembly so to keep that and the locking block just in case.

Hopefully the shipping does not take too long...
So the update to the issue is this:

P80 shipped a complete new kit which arrived in about a week.
It took them a few days to get it shipped.

I was super careful this time around and machined off the lugs and opened the slide area complete.

Prior to drilling, I fit the front and rear rails, checked the slide fit and confirmed the front and rear rail alignment.

I pinned the front rail (front pin) and clamped the rails down and drilled the holes with the rails in place to assure proper location.

I also noted that BOTH of the 4mm bits shipped in the kits did not run true and wobbled in the drill. Fortunately, I had a bit of the same size in my drill bin that did run true.

Even though I spent quite a bit of time with a fine file taking all of the sharp edges off of the rear rail assembly, like others have found, my TSG-22 slide fits and feels good with no binding but my factory G19 & G23 slides both bind up.

I may take BobbyC's advice to shave the rail widths slightly to see if the factory slides can be made to operate properly.

Although the whole purpose of this exercise for me was to end up with a dedicated 22LR compact version, I would really prefer to have the P80 compact frame (and Picatinny rail) paired with my Gen 2 G23 slide and use the gen 2 frame with the TSG-22.

Even though the rear rails design is a huge improvement over the previous P80 kits, the overall quality, fit and function of the rear rail "module" is far below the quality of the front rail.

If I lived in a free state, buying a factory frame would have been a far better option IMHO but of course, if I lived in a free state, there would have been a lot more choices for a 22LR pistol too...
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The right rail on the rear module seems to sit higher than the left. Just sand/file it down until the slide goes on; no need to overdo it. Then shoot 20-30 rounds of some +P and the binding and out of battery issues should be fixed
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I would apply some sharpie as layout dye on the rear rails and see where the binding is occuring
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Sharpie is a good idea. On my full size, it was sliding well but after a day of shooting (200 rds), the dirty oil showed where it was still rubbing so used a file to fine tune it (not that it really needed it).

The rear rail on the compact is stamped steel and bent to fit. I have 2 kits and 1 had clean edges but the other had noticeable edges that were pretty sharp. I filed the edges down so they were more rounded and then I polished both rear rails.

My AA .22lr kit fits perfect on the front block but the G19 slide needed the width trimmed just a bit.

I had cycling issues with the AA kit with Federal and CCI SV but Win M22 and Stingers were flawless. I have since ordered and received some Rem GB (recommended by AA) but haven't had a chance to get to the range yet. I did polish the extractor and barrel to see if that helps with standard velocity rounds. I'm not a fan of guns that are picky with ammo so I'd like to fine tune them rather than accept that I have to buy specific ammo.

The G19 is flawless but the slide is out for cerakoting. Hopefully, it'll be back in my grubby little hands by the end of the week or early next week.
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Both the 19s I built ran perfect today at my long awaited first range day. My grip-chopped 17 also ran without any malfunction.
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Both the 19s I built ran perfect today at my long awaited first range day. My grip-chopped 17 also ran without any malfunction.
How many rounds did you put down range? And did you experience any "brass to the face"/erratic ejection?

When I test fired mine, some of the brass was ejecting at about 5 o'clock to 5:30 or so, which is a little annoying.
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How many rounds did you put down range? And did you experience any "brass to the face"/erratic ejection?

When I test fired mine, some of the brass was ejecting at about 5 o'clock to 5:30 or so, which is a little annoying.
First time I test fired my G19 build I had zero malfunctions after 100 rounds and the brass was ejecting in a perfectly normal direction at about 3 or 4 o'clock, but they were very soft ejections. Most of my other guns puke out the shells as fast as they can but this one sort of just farts them out gently.
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How many rounds did you put down range? And did you experience any "brass to the face"/erratic ejection?

When I test fired mine, some of the brass was ejecting at about 5 o'clock to 5:30 or so, which is a little annoying.
I did have one hit my glasses. Everything else went out smartly at 5 o'clock. I only shot 50 rounds. I'm very happy with the performance.
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Interesting this is coming up. I've been looking to get better ejection on my G19. I have over 200 rds on my G17 and over 350 on my G19. The G17 ejects at 4-5 o'clock reliably (at least in 200 rds) but I get an occasional soft eject onto my arm with my compact. The G17 has a flat extractor with LCI and a non-LCI spring loaded bearing (slightly longer than the LCI SLB). My G19 has a dipped extractor (LCI) with a LCI SLB. I need to order a non-LCI SLB to try with the G19 to see if that helps. Both have the Gen4 ejector (30274).

I also noticed carbon build up in the area where the extractor grabs the brass on both. I used a pocket knife to carefully scrape it off on both.
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By comparison with a Glock frame, I think the rear rail module (rrm) is actually "overbuilt" in that the rails are more robust than necessary (in both length and thickness), and the same is true of the front rail.

From my own experience and from the anecdotal accounts of others (e.g., from youtube comments), it seems to me that there may be a quality control issue with the rrm; i.e., some of them are not bent properly.

In some cases one side is higher than the other; that is, one side might be bent to 90 degrees (as it should be) while the other side might be bent to only 85 degrees or so. And in other cases, both sides might be bent to 85 degrees instead of 90 degrees, and in each situation the slide will probably not move as freely as it should.

I've found that the rails can be bent using a vise if it is done properly, but it takes a little effort to rig something up to hold the rrm.

Of course filing should work too, but I would prefer to get it as close as I can by bending it, and then file it a little bit if necessary.

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Even though the rear rails design is a huge improvement over the previous P80 kits, the overall quality, fit and function of the rear rail "module" is far below the quality of the front rail.

If I lived in a free state, buying a factory frame would have been a far better option IMHO but of course, if I lived in a free state, there would have been a lot more choices for a 22LR pistol too...
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I built one up with all glock parts the other day. Since then I have been to the range 2x with one stovepipe malfunction somewhere between 200-300 rounds. There was a slight amount of erratic ejection. One problem I did encounter was the trigger reset issue. What i found was happening was the rear rail insert had a little lip on it from where it was cut out right where the trigger bar initially comes into contact with it. I could actually feel it with my fingernail. This was causing a bit of galling on the trigger bar itself. A little work with an Arkansas stone and a drop of lube, problem solved. Good luck with your builds.

Also, due to having several Glocks laying around I initially built this as a .40 with parts I had from a 15ish year old glock 23. That was the first 200 rounds with no malfunctions. I noticed the trigger reset problem while manipulating the acton after having fired it. I think the recoil was preventing the actual malfunction from happening, but while on the couch "working in the action" I could duplicate it almost every time. After fixing the trigger problem I built it up with a brand new Glock 19 slide and barrel assembly that I had other plans with but changed my mind and decided to fire it anyway. I got the stovepipe in the second magazine (magpul & reloads) on the new slide and barrel, not too concerned at this point. The old 23 had a less erratic ejection pattern than the new 19. I'm going to go run another 500 or so rounds through it (the 19) in the next few days to see how things go from here. In the end though this one will be built with yet another slide and barrel that I'm having the barrel crowned, and along with a few other parts Ti coated right now. The slide is one of the older "teflon" ones which I prefer the finish on. I can't wait to mate it with the gold parts. It's gonna look sharp...IMO, at least.

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Anyone else FINALLY got an email from Rainier.. My Smooth frame will be arriving tomorrow
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I see I'm not the only one here who's having issues with erratic ejection.

I'm not very satisfied with either the G17 or the G19, as they both usually eject at 5:00 to 5:30, sometimes bouncing the brass off my shoulder.

Glock apparently knows about the issue but they don't seem interested to find a remedy.

Swapping out the "336" ejector with the "30274" ejector (or whatever it is) did seem to help a little bit, as far as brass to the face is concerned, but it's still not what it should be, IMO.

I've heard that swapping out the Glock extractor with an "Apex" extractor works well (the comments @ Midway are all positive), but I hate the idea of dumping another $60 into each gun.

Edit: I should add that according to some of the comments @ Midway, the Apex extractor also helps with stovepipe problems.

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