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Old 05-10-2012, 9:06 PM
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this is how i got my mosin's scope on without breaking the bank.

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first, use a punch to punch this portion of the scope. remove the leaf site and spring underneath, have a rag handy, there is going to be some cosmoline there......



next get the rail and with the included nut and bolt place in as follows, trust me, its idiot proof, a caveman can do it. (use loktite)



now you need to go to the range and zero in your rifle, i highlighted the top of the rail so you can see where you need to allen wrench it to raise the rail or lower the rail.



but ummmmmmm456, why would you want to raise the rail?



notice the white arrows, adjusting the allen wrench raises the rails, you need to do it in the front and the back so they offset each other and create a tight pushing affect and makes sure the rail doesn't move. do you also see the yellow arrows, yeah, once you acquire a zero, tighten those up so that the adjustments you make don't move.

that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you have a cheap rail on a mosin for around 8 dollars. no need to spend anymore than that. its proven.
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Where can I buy this rail off the internet? Might be putting a scope on my Mosin sometime.
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Old 05-10-2012, 9:23 PM
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i was wrong in my other thread, i purchased this scope mount, it wasn't an ati, its by m1 surplus.

http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Mosin-N...ef=pd_sim_sg_1

for a longer version of the rail

http://www.amazon.com/Mosin-Nagant-W...6713710&sr=8-6

cheaper and more secure than anything else out there. its a mosin, keep it cheap and fun people. that being said, who said we can't have a little accuracy.

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Since there are no side setscrews on that mount, how do you keep it from moving in azimuth (and thus losing zero) under the heavy recoil of the 7.62x54R?
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look at picture number 4, the screws on the top screw all the way to the bottom. this is what it looks like when it makes contact.



thats what it looks like in the back portion. it holds into place. so does the front.
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here is a better explanation. turn the screw on top ( white arrow ) until it hits the mount (yellow arrow) once you have it hit the mount and your happy that its level turn the side screw (red arrow) to lock it in place.

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this is a picture of the front. same rules apply, turn the screw on top (white arrow) until it hits the mount (yellow arrow, look closely, you'll see the screw) and when your happy tighten the side screw ( red arrow)

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yeah, ATI and B square make mounts similar to this. Tell me how it holds after a few rounds. The description in the link says it will fit a 91/30, an M44, and an M39. do you know how much difference there is in the width of the rear sights on those 3 rifles? It is significant. Without something to lock it down on the sides, there is NO WAY elevation set screws alone will keep the mount from moving in azimuth (left to right) under sustained heavy recoil>

I'm not trying to burst your bubble, but I learned a couple decades ago the hard way by wasting time and money that these types of mounts dont work as advertised.

The attachments below are a different type of scout mount that works. Ive used them on a few different types of Mosins (he makes them for K31's too). notice how the mount is designed to lock down the azimuth as well as the elevation.

This rifle has had this mount on now for 11 years. several thousand rounds down range, multiple hunting trips, and has NEVER lost zero

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first off, damn, that is a nice mount you have on your rifle. you have to tell me real quick, how has your bore survived after all that corrosive ammo..... 11 years worth is alot....

i digress.... first off, bubbles need to be burst howie, thats how i learn. i'm new to this world of rifles.... i would never want to steer a fellow calgunner in the wrong direction. as to what you were saying about the azimuth, the left and right, i'll try and make a video showing how solid my mount is, again, i understand what your saying about the recoil of the 7.62x54r round. the pictures i'm posting just show for the most part this mount fits inside the original housing like a glove, it has a little portion that sits in the actual grove, its not just screws, the screws help adjust for elevation. as for the difference in the m44 and m39 width, i would not know sir. my m44 is on the way, when she comes in i'll take pictures and try and document what i can.





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Haha! lots of cleaning. Seriously though. You want to shoot it? Or try out an M38, M44, or Tikka M30? (Finnish version of the 91/30). come to the shoot and Q on the 19th, and I'll let you take the full Mosin variant spectrum for a spin. We always like to help spread the disease, LOL!

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=538517

also, the mount in the attacthments can be bought here

http://milsurpshooter.net/topic/3695...t-Availibility

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The primers while corrosive do not release an acid that will eat the metal away. The primers leave a hydroscopic residue that will absorb moisture which then will cause rust. It doesn't take much to keep the bore clean and rust free. If you have pitting there could be many causes but it didn't happen overnight. The soldier that carried the rifle may have done a poor job cleaning it, or when it sat in a salt mine in storage there may have been moisture. I have been firing corrosive ammo out of my M-44 for almost 10 years and it still is fine due to my cleaning it and leaving the bore oiled after shooting. I know a few guys that have owned mosins since the early 90's or longer ( one guy has a nice finn 91/30 he bought back in the 60s) shooting corrosive ammo and they haven't shot their rifles bores out.

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first off, thank you kind sir for the offer... i wish i lived a little closer and didn't have work that day. ( i need to keep my job so i can afford the other variants) and man, you have an oasis for a range, that is like heaven on earth away from the city.

second off, did you ever do glass bedding or corking? area's specifically like the tang or right where the barrel is? ( i watched about it online and read about it)

third, thanks for the heads up on the mount. i'll look into it. i am getting an m44.... she'll be my precious....

fourth- whats your opinion on the type 53/m53? i've read reports that everything left is bottom barrel crap. i just wanted to see what the diffrence is, and talk about character, those things look like they went through hell and back.
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The primers while corrosiive do nota release an acid that will eat the metal away. The primers leave a hydroscopic residue that will absorb moisture which then will cause rust. It doesn't take much to keep the bore clean and rust free. If you have pitting there could be many causes but it didn't happen overnight. The soldier that carried the rifle may have done a poor job cleaning it, or when it sat in a salt mine in storage there may have been moisture. I have been firing corrosive ammo out of my M-44 for almost 10 years and it still is fine due to my cleaning it and leaving the bore oiled after shooting. I know a few guys that have owned mosins since the early 90's or longer ( one guy has a nice finn 91/30 he bought back in the 60s) shooting corrosive ammo and they haven't shot their rifles bores out.
Yeah noon is right don't be afraid to shoot corrosive ammo. A quick simple solution to get rid of that hydroscopic residue is windex. If my memory is correct that is basically a form of sodium/salt and the windex dissolves it. Or others prefer hot soapy water.

But like Noon said just proper cleaning and some TLC can give any surplus rifle a long and happy life.
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thanks noonanda, its just everyone keeps saying there are millions of these things out there.... but one day the well is going to dry up... thats why i'm trying my best to get some ammo and get some mosins while i still can. these things are beauties..... just awesome....
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thanks noonanda, its just everyone keeps saying there are millions of these things out there.... but one day the well is going to dry up... thats why i'm trying my best to get some ammo and get some mosins while i still can. these things are beauties..... just awesome....
trust me Mosins wont be drying any time soon, so many of them where produced and remember Russia wasn't the only country that produced them. China made their version, Poland etc. Ammo will always be plentiful because the Soviet Union spent so much money and resources on weapons that their people were starving to death.

Lets be real even if you have crates of them at home...like you know who... they really are just a drop in the bucket compared to how many where made. So get your self a nice mosin and just blast away :P
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hahahahaha..... damn it sks... that was just my excuse to buy more ammo and mosins..... now everyone is going to think i'm addicted and afflicted with mosinitis.....
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hahahahaha..... damn it sks... that was just my excuse to buy more ammo and mosins..... now everyone is going to think i'm addicted and afflicted with mosinitis.....
hahah Wait till you buy an SKS...ooooo...but seriously why beat around the bush?

Mosin = cheap= fun= big boom! I mean think of something else and doesn't have to be gun related that can be that?

GAS? nope. Airline ticket? hell no. DMV fees? haha only in CA.

So yes enjoy the fun and madness and enjoy the cheap ammo. Don't worry look at my sig for mosinitis
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I started collecting Mosins in 2003 and haven't even come close to getting all the variant and the addiction to them has only gotten worse over the years. I have roughly 14 mosins at the moment, don't own more than 2 of any other gun type (except for 4 mausers of different countries)if that tells ya how much I like mosins lol
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yeah, i talk about mosins more than any other gun i have (ar and ak variants). there is just something about these things that makes me happy. (that and they are cheap). do you have an m53 by any chance and how does it shoot...

sks.... how much does a russian sks go for?
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I started collecting Mosins in 2003 and haven't even come close to getting all the variant and the addiction to them has only gotten worse over the years. I have roughly 14 mosins at the moment, don't own more than 2 of any other gun type (except for 4 mausers of different countries)if that tells ya how much I like mosins lol
haha Noonanda! Man I thought you only had like 6-7 :P But see it is fun though trying to get them all right? BTW you have terminal mosinitis

Same with any other Weapons, SKS from all over the Countries, Mosins, Mausers etc...it really is madness

Look at me...Now I have this itch to get every Mauser from 1933-1945...and factory...sheesh...
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do factory fresh guns still exist anymore?
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yeah, i talk about mosins more than any other gun i have (ar and ak variants). there is just something about these things that makes me happy. (that and they are cheap). do you have an m53 by any chance and how does it shoot...

sks.... how much does a russian sks go for?
well the Collector gems which are Russian non Refurbs go for about 600 hundred.
Going to details Tula's (same as your mosins) are more common to find. So even the refurbs go around 450ish. Izzy (rarer) even as refurbs can go 500 easy.

Ironic how those two factories which produced both Mosins and SKS yet are so far apart in prices and availability hu?
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do factory fresh guns still exist anymore?
AS in refurb fresh or strait from the factory back in 1945 and has been a safe queen? (never been touched or shot)
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Just bought one because of this thread. Im half tempted to get a monte carlo stock and a bent bolt
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I wouldn't bother with a Monte carlo stock. You'll have to do a lot of trimming to get it to fit right, and even then it won't be that great of a fit. You'll benefit more from either getting a beat stock and converting it to a free float barrel setup, or corking and bedding the original stock, imo
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welcome to the club mark.... welcome to the club..... af240z, so you do bed the stock, how has the set up gone for you?
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yeah, i talk about mosins more than any other gun i have (ar and ak variants). there is just something about these things that makes me happy. (that and they are cheap). do you have an m53 by any chance and how does it shoot...

sks.... how much does a russian sks go for?
No no Chinese Type-53s, almost bought one a few years ago but I already had 2 M-44's, one a 1945 and a 1946.

I can list em all
1 M-1891
1 M-91 Dragoon
4 M-91/30's
1 M-38 (my favorite gun out of all I own)
2 M-44's
1 M-91/30 Sniper
2 Finn M-39's
2 Finn M-28/76's (might let one of these go but I dont know)
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well the Collector gems which are Russian non Refurbs go for about 600 hundred.
Going to details Tula's (same as your mosins) are more common to find. So even the refurbs go around 450ish. Izzy (rarer) even as refurbs can go 500 easy.

Ironic how those two factories which produced both Mosins and SKS yet are so far apart in prices and availability hu?
damn you again sks..... now i want to get into or at least research some history ok sks's (meaning i'll end up having 10)
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No no Chinese Type-53s, almost bought one a few years ago but I already had 2 M-44's, one a 1945 and a 1946.

I can list em all
1 M-1891
1 M-91 Dragoon
4 M-91/30's
1 M-38 (my favorite gun out of all I own)
2 M-44's
1 M-91/30 Sniper
2 Finn M-39's
2 Finn M-28/76's (might let one of these go but I dont know)
i want the m-38. that m-91 dragoon intrigues me....... in regards to the sniper... is it worth the $619 at big 5. i mean every big 5 around me has a supply right now....
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damn you again sks..... now i want to get into or at least research some history ok sks's (meaning i'll end up having 10)
good Join the Dark Side!!! Ok so have your mosins...but have your mosins with SKS's hahah.

Ok for starters 3 Gems of SKS' are the Illusive North Korean SKS, East German SKS and 1945 SKS. You find those you win the SKS lottery

O btw way...did you know the SKS fought along side your Mosins? Yup the first experimental SKS' came out in 1945 just in time for the Battle of Berlin. Tula factory (same as mosins) started mass producing them in 1949.

SKS Tula


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dude, $6995 dollars for a north korean sks.... really.... i mean really. your killing me here smalls.....
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dude, $6995 dollars for a north korean sks.... really.... i mean really. your killing me here smalls.....
HA chump change! Small price to pay for the Holy grail!!! That thing isn't even suppose to be here in the US lol.



This is an American made mosin....ooo I am not a Mosin freak but I know this one of the Top Gems for Mosins.
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HA chump change! Small price to pay for the Holy grail!!! That thing isn't even suppose to be here in the US lol.



This is an American made mosin....ooo I am not a Mosin freak but I know this one of the Top Gems for Mosins.
that looks like an american garand made dirty dirty love with a russian mosin and thats their offspring....... a super model....... is that even real.... indulge me, how much does she cost....... i have an extra arm and leg to spare.....(not really, i'm crying a single tear that won't hit the ground cause angels are carrying it to heaven....)
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haha good luck. Here some "cheaper mosins" on GA.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/980401462...ifle_1939.htm#



For 2,000 you can decide if you got the real deal or fake one.
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dang, i'd rather take my chances with big 5's sniper rifles... but for all the marbles....

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dang, i'd rather take my chances with big 5's sniper rifles... but for all the marbles....

exactly. Not like regular mosins are going away right? Now you know why I have that expression on my sig

However that is a cool thing about plain mosins..you can buy a couple, keep one as is then bubba the hell out of the other. For a very low price too.

Speaking of all the marbles...I would gladly give up my first born for this.

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here is one I found in Iraq back in 2006, bore was beat up but it was shootable.
AX 1940 Nazi Marked, matching numbers except for the bolt Mauser

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i want the m-38. that m-91 dragoon intrigues me....... in regards to the sniper... is it worth the $619 at big 5. i mean every big 5 around me has a supply right now....
if you have a C&R you can order a repro for cheaper than that from one of the importers, if not the 500-600 is probably what you will pay.
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here is one I found in Iraq back in 2006, bore was beat up but it was shootable.
AX 1940 Nazi Marked, matching numbers except for the bolt Mauser

Nice noon! That is a rarer factory code too. Does is have the Iraqi markings on it as well or she still intact?

I remember when I was out there in 2003 we found left overs of mosin nagants, AKs, and other weapons. It was like a grave yard of weapons just a huge pile of parts stacked 15ft high in a hanger.
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sks.... i was talking to a store manager about the exact same thing a couple of months ago.... i wanted a storm trooper approved 8mm, thats the only one i would want to get......

noonanda, if i ever got a c&r license, it would be the end of me...... i would order crate after crate of mosins...... but wait..... really though, i need to research getting a c&r, what if i move? do i have to report the change in address, i'll still be in san diego.... but if i move do i need to report, or would it be easier for me to move then apply for a c&r?
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