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Old 10-26-2012, 5:14 PM
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http://www.jgsales.com/chinese-sks-t....-p-58288.html

They list them as C&R

Aims have them as FL1,have updated to C&R status verify FL3 not for sale in California

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The description from J&G says blade bayonet. I thought Chinese SKS' had spike bayonets?
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Unless those are Sino Soviets hard to tell in the photo though. Not a bad price to be honest with ya.
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Dang, AIM only has 51 left...
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I wouldn't loose any sleep on these. These look like they been in Khe Sanh and well they are not C&R no matter what J&G or AIM says. If its not on the ATF then wouldn't risk it.
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I wouldn't loose any sleep on these. These look like they been in Khe Sanh and well they are not C&R no matter what J&G or AIM says. If its not on the ATF then wouldn't risk it.
Something does not have to be on the ATF list to be C&R they can also be one by being over 50 years old. The problem with the Chinese SKS is there is not an ATF accepted consistent system of serial numbers that can establish age.

Here's a good thread on the issue:
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/vie...?f=50&t=111997

With a copy of an ATF letter on the subject:
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/dow...e.php?id=51524
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/dow...e.php?id=51525
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I bought a Chinese para-trooper model I picked one new out of the crate long ago just before they were outlawed in Calif. It is an excellent condition gun that is like new unfired. I did run one stripper clip thru it years ago of my handloads. Then cleaned it. Been a safe queen since. Plan to sell it. Anyone have an idea what it is worth. I was thinking about $375? Is that in the ballpark?? Mine has the spike bayonet/sling and cleaning kit in the buttstock. It never had a box. I selected it out of a crate with others in racks in the crate. What say the experts?
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I bought a Chinese para-trooper model I picked one new out of the crate long ago just before they were outlawed in Calif. It is an excellent condition gun that is like new unfired. I did run one stripper clip thru it years ago of my handloads. Then cleaned it. Been a safe queen since. Plan to sell it. Anyone have an idea what it is worth. I was thinking about $375? Is that in the ballpark?? Mine has the spike bayonet/sling and cleaning kit in the buttstock. It never had a box. I selected it out of a crate with others in racks in the crate. What say the experts?
375 would be Generous but you could easily get 450 for it. I sold mine for that price. Depends on the marking, importert, etc... as well. Pics would help.


BTW the SKS on AIM is confirmed. Sino-Soviet alright. I took a better look at the markings and s/n and sure enough it is.

As for the ATF stuff...although it may be true...still I wouldn't risk my FFL or time at the grey bar hotel just to see if it would work on not. Especially for a Chinese SKS...they are cool and better than Yugos but not worth the risk.

Here you got this is one of the Chinese ones from Century Arms which is the same batch from AIM/J&G Sales. Not bad, certainly a good shooter and needs some TLC but not bad.


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So has anyone ordered one using a C&R from any of the sources? J&G isnt listing any disclaimers for them but others are...
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I'm probably going to order one for myself and a few for friends. Anyone in the SF bay area interested in a small group buy?


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or maybe I shouldn't due to the date issue...

Yeah, after reading a bit more on the issue, I probably won't be on this. Might as well save up for a garand still.
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It looks like these are all Sino-Soviet in this lot. Perhaps that makes them C&R by age. When did Sino-Soviet production stop?
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This is from the Wiki page:
Chinese Type 56 (1956–): Numerous minor tweaks, including lack of milling on the bolt carrier, partially or fully stamped (as opposed to milled) receivers, and differing types of thumb rest on the take down lever. The Chinese continually revised the SKS manufacturing process, so variation can be seen even between two examples from the same factory. All of the Type 56 carbine rifles have been removed from military service, except a few being used for ceremonial purposes and by local Chinese Militias. Type 56 carbines with serial numbers below 9,000,000 have the Russian-style blade-type folding bayonet, while those 9,000,000 and higher have a "spike" type folding bayonet. Some early examples are known as "Sino-Soviet", meaning they were produced by China, but with cooperation from Russian "advisers" who helped regulate the factories and provided the design specifications.[6]


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This site says it has figured out the date codes: http://www.yooperj.com/SKS-24.htm

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Looks like the stock is a for a spike because the blade doesn't quite get home?
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Here are a few things I've learned in doing some google-fu:

1) Century imported these and has been selling them as C&R. They have been in the game a long time, and if they were not C&R they never would have made it out of customs.

2) Century may have a few things that make these "C or R." A few theories are that they might have import documents for the lot of rifles into the host country from China that are pre-62, proving their age. They may have gotten a curio status for these for some special reason.

I'm going to watch this closely and see how it works out. The guys at SKS boards seem to be discussing it at length.
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Yeah word on the street is that these been sitting in port for many years. Boys on the SKS forums aren't to sure about where they came from either.

Even though Sino-Soviets would be C&R eligible since they were produced i 1956 and so on, still no official letter or anything from BAFTE Saying these are. I wouldn't touch em until that happens. TO much to risk.
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Yeah word on the street is that these been sitting in port for many years. Boys on the SKS forums aren't to sure about where they came from either.

Even though Sino-Soviets would be C&R eligible since they were produced i 1956 and so on, still no official letter or anything from BAFTE Saying these are. I wouldn't touch em until that happens. TO much to risk.
It seems like the risk lies with the importer and FFL 01 more so than the 03. I wish Century would show off the documentation that lets them sell these as C&R so we could all feel better.
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It seems like the risk lies with the importer and FFL 01 more so than the 03. I wish Century would show off the documentation that lets them sell these as C&R so we could all feel better.
yeah true and it would be nice if Century was able to show the proof on why and what makes them C&R. AIM has it as an FFL 01, J&G has them C&R if Applicable and Century just shipping em out like hot cakes. Something is not right and if it goes wrong someone is getting burned.
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This sounds kind of like when the Walther P38/P1's were declared to be 03 eligible, some would ship to CA others wouldn't. As I recall on those J&G had a similar disclaimer saying that their importer said they were C&R eligible.

So, what is the worst case scenario? Say I, as an 03FFL, goes into J&G buys one and brings it back to CA. Later they discover that they really weren't C&R, would I have violated any laws since I was purchasing withing the scope of my 03FFL?
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This sounds kind of like when the Walther P38/P1's were declared to be 03 eligible, some would ship to CA others wouldn't. As I recall on those J&G had a similar disclaimer saying that their importer said they were C&R eligible.

So, what is the worst case scenario? Say I, as an 03FFL, goes into J&G buys one and brings it back to CA. Later they discover that they really weren't C&R, would I have violated any laws since I was purchasing withing the scope of my 03FFL?
I'm guessing the problems for you as an 03 would be:

1) Potential audit (not a big deal)
2) You have to send it back to the dealer and retransfer through an 01 or get a refund.

I'm betting that the problems on Century/JG Sales end would be much greater in selling thousands of non-C&R rifles to C&R holders. If they'll sell it, then I think it is a safe bet in buying it. I'm watching to see how this works out, but I wouldn't worry too much if you buy one. I'm more interested on where these came from and what the story is.
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I'm guessing the problems for you as an 03 would be:

1) Potential audit (not a big deal)
2) You have to send it back to the dealer and retransfer through an 01 or get a refund.

I'm betting that the problems on Century/JG Sales end would be much greater in selling thousands of non-C&R rifles to C&R holders. If they'll sell it, then I think it is a safe bet in buying it. I'm watching to see how this works out, but I wouldn't worry too much if you buy one. I'm more interested on where these came from and what the story is.
here you go, this is a theory and something that has been popping up on some of the forums.

http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=109235.0
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here you go, this is a theory and something that has been popping up on some of the forums.

http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=109235.0
So, these Chinese SKS's didn't come from China?
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neat just want to let people know the barrel being threaded means its screwed into the receiver instead of pressed and pinned the muzzle is not threaded

the only way they could have them imported is if they are c&r so dont fret that
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So, these Chinese SKS's didn't come from China?
Actually bob these come from Uncle Mao Yes they were created in China, yes they were built by Soviet Advisers and machines and yes the were built at /26\ in Chongquin Factory. However due to our current laws this couldn't have been imported Directly from China (like Canada and their awesomeness).

That is why these Chinese SKS have been imported from another area possibly Eastern Europe or round about. This is also why THEY COULD BE C&R because these are 50+ years older, identical to the Russian SKS (which is on BAFTE list) and this is why Century is doing this. Is it legal? right? Time will tell but they are here now
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Seems iffy.

Fair and Good are not very "good" grades, although some on other forums have reported nice purchases......of course they bought them and don't want to look like dummies.

Btw being at Khe Sanh isn't a bad thing. Much better than the average RC that was dropped while retreating.
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I think I'm gonna call J&G Monday and get some more info on them. I would like to order one.
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neat just want to let people know the barrel being threaded means its screwed into the receiver instead of pressed and pinned the muzzle is not threaded

the only way they could have them imported is if they are c&r so dont fret that
That is what I thought, but was not sure. Can you elaborate with specifics and give me an education?

So it looks like these are all early (56-59) Chinese/Sino-Soviet SKS. That makes the story very interesting. IIRC, China and most Soviet states did not get along after 1961. These were built in China with Soviet help, sent abroad at some point as aid to allies, and it seems that the allies are somewhere in Eastern Europe. I don't think China had any allies in Eastern Europe, and I'm not sure they have any today. Of all the places for Sino-Soviet built SKS to show up, Eastern Europe would be way out there. That is outside the sphere of influence of China and the USSR wouldn't have liked them messing in their Soviet Bloc. Either these made it out of China real early, or they spent time in some intermediary country before being shipped to the Balkans. I just don't see a direct shipment of weapons from China to anywhere outside SE Asia from 1960-1991 as fitting with the politics of the time.

Truly puzzling.
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ask century

http://centuryarms.biz/products.asp?cat=52

i'm betting they are allowed because they had some kind of local manifest from 50 years ago
cause you arent getting any records out of china looks like they may have found some records from yugoslavia to bring in mosin nagants too
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i'm betting they are allowed because they had some kind of local manifest from 50 years ago
cause you arent getting any records out of china looks like they may have found some records from yugoslavia to bring in mosin nagants too
Are we sure these all came out of Yugoslavia?
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China had a close relationship with Albania from around 1960 to 1970. They were one of the few communist countries that sided with China after the Sino-Soviet split.
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That is what I thought, but was not sure. Can you elaborate with specifics and give me an education?

So it looks like these are all early (56-59) Chinese/Sino-Soviet SKS. That makes the story very interesting. IIRC, China and most Soviet states did not get along after 1961. These were built in China with Soviet help, sent abroad at some point as aid to allies, and it seems that the allies are somewhere in Eastern Europe. I don't think China had any allies in Eastern Europe, and I'm not sure they have any today. Of all the places for Sino-Soviet built SKS to show up, Eastern Europe would be way out there. That is outside the sphere of influence of China and the USSR wouldn't have liked them messing in their Soviet Bloc. Either these made it out of China real early, or they spent time in some intermediary country before being shipped to the Balkans. I just don't see a direct shipment of weapons from China to anywhere outside SE Asia from 1960-1991 as fitting with the politics of the time.

Truly puzzling.
Well you do make a good point there...but remember what was going on during the Mid and late 50's in Eastern Europe? in 56 was the infamous Hungary Uprising which struck a lot of fear in the USSR. It could be possible that USSR purchased and shipped a ton of SKS in fear of a wide spread revolt. It could be possible that China shipped some over there and we have seen some freak SKS pop up once in a while.

Plus during this time we see the Romanians, Yugos, East German, and Alby start getting their own SKS on the map.

I must say this is quite fun and hope more clues and rifles can be imported in :P
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So how does the CA DOJ see these? Can we do FTF based on the serial (Which ATF acknowledges, but doesn't seem to firmly believe is accurate).
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Are we sure these all came out of Yugoslavia?
not sure of anything

century scours the earth for any old guns to sell to middle america yet we cant get our own carbines back from korea
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China had a close relationship with Albania from around 1960 to 1970. They were one of the few communist countries that sided with China after the Sino-Soviet split.
These rifles seem to be very neat examples of the geopolitics of the Cold War, in addition to the fact that they've pretty obviously seen some use on a two way range.
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So how does the CA DOJ see these? Can we do FTF based on the serial (Which ATF acknowledges, but doesn't seem to firmly believe is accurate).

Federal c and r is one thing, 50 years old another.
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Federal c and r is one thing, 50 years old another.
In California's case it is really one and the same. If you are getting these shipped to you as a California C&R license holder they have to be 50+ years old anyways.
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For what it's worth, Chicom SKS rifles can come with blade or spike bayonets. Proof below from Bobby Ricky's own collection!

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For what it's worth, Chicom SKS rifles can come with blade or spike bayonets. Proof below from Bobby Ricky's own collection!

Early ones are blade, later ones are spike. Nice rifles!
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eh why bring logic into this, that makes too much sense... besides when you have bested a fool, you have accomplished nothing and he is a fool.
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That is what I thought, but was not sure. Can you elaborate with specifics and give me an education?

So it looks like these are all early (56-59) Chinese/Sino-Soviet SKS. That makes the story very interesting. IIRC, China and most Soviet states did not get along after 1961. These were built in China with Soviet help, sent abroad at some point as aid to allies, and it seems that the allies are somewhere in Eastern Europe. I don't think China had any allies in Eastern Europe, and I'm not sure they have any today. Of all the places for Sino-Soviet built SKS to show up, Eastern Europe would be way out there. That is outside the sphere of influence of China and the USSR wouldn't have liked them messing in their Soviet Bloc. Either these made it out of China real early, or they spent time in some intermediary country before being shipped to the Balkans. I just don't see a direct shipment of weapons from China to anywhere outside SE Asia from 1960-1991 as fitting with the politics of the time.

Truly puzzling.
Maybe places like South America? Vietnam? Korea? Interesting search on these.

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In California's case it is really one and the same. If you are getting these shipped to you as a California C&R license holder they have to be 50+ years old anyways.
That was my point.
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Maybe places like South America? Vietnam? Korea? Interesting search on these.

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Well we do know SKS have ended up Africa and there was a big import of Chinese SKS' to Egypt as well. We also know and has been confirmed that Chicoms have been in Vietnam and Korea. Real collectors gems they are because they are so rare.
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