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Old 09-18-2018, 6:07 PM
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Hello, Iím going to try some reduced load 270 Win for my boys to try out before deer season. H4895 has a reputation for being very versatile for reduced loads and I found one load on chuckhawks site. Has anyone made reduced loads for rifles before? Any advice or additional sources of info I could try?



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDjlMMLxFPw

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Old 09-18-2018, 6:41 PM
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Thanks PatC. Horrible focus issues, but Iím glad the video went all the way to the range session.

Thatís pretty much the load Iím considering. Not SST bullets though. If the boys donít like it Iíll stick with 223 for another year for them. Anyone shot a similar round? Is it really 223 like? That would be awesome with 100 grain bullet.


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For sure, I'm glad he took it to the bench too!
While I haven't personally shot that light of a load with 4895, we've done some well reduced loads with very light bullets. Makes it much easier for the grandkids to shoot.
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I have used reduced loads for people. My daughter used them when she was young, about 5 years old, in her 257R. I believe Speer lists them for each cartridge.
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No load listed for 100 grain for h4895, in this book. 44 charge looks to be the lowest for the 110 bullet.

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Call and talk to Hodgdon?

Or look here:
https://www.hodgdon.com/wp-content/u...ifle-loads.pdf
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Diving in- I always got a 404 error when I clicked on their ďyouth loadsĒ But I found the 60% info on several forums. I thought I had some h4895. Turns out I donít. Anyone near San Jose have a pound to sell or trade? Iíll check my lgs tomorrow as well. Just checking here first.


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Loaded up 36, 38, and 40 grains of H4895 behind 110 gr nosler ballistic tips.
Didnít get the speeds on the 36gr load - labradar was set for pistol.
But the boys wanted to try the next one after.
38 gr gave average speed of 2528 FPS.
40 gr gave average speed of 2602 FPS.

Both boys liked 38 gr. Velocity was a bit less consistent than at 40 grains. But definitely acceptable. Now I need to find two more 270s and sight them in for slower loads.


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Hello, Iím going to try some reduced load 270 Win for my boys to try out before deer season. H4895 has a reputation for being very versatile for reduced loads and I found one load on chuckhawks site. Has anyone made reduced loads for rifles before? Any advice or additional sources of info I could try?



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Do you have a shotgun / pistol powder on hand too? I usually use 800x for reduced load rifle rounds. I've used it on 223 and 54r. Can also use non jacketed bullets.
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I've done many reduced rifle loads for my C&R's (Mosin, Enfield, Mauser, MAS, etc.) with cast. There's good information on the castboolits forum and I remember there was a recent article out there in Handloader magazine, but I can't find it anymore.

For really light loads, I've found a light cast bullet, about 150-160gr over 7-8 gr of a pistol powder (Bullseye, Unique, etc.) works well for <100yrd plinking and feels like a 22.

For heavier bullets with 4895, I've started with the formula (https://imrpowder.com/wp-content/upl...ifle-loads.pdf) and then adjusted from there.

Other options that I've just started exploring include using 5744 (there's a formula for that as well), and also 4198 and 4227. The only reason I'm trying these other powders is that I picked them up cheap from someone off craigslist. Otherwise I'd project just stick with 4895.

As always, start low and work up from there.
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Not really interested in cast bullets for this application. I was very happy with how the 4895 worked, but I have lots of 4198 as well. Iíll look for that formula as well. Thanks!


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Loaded up 36, 38, and 40 grains of H4895 behind 110 gr nosler ballistic tips.
Didnít get the speeds on the 36gr load - labradar was set for pistol.
But the boys wanted to try the next one after.
38 gr gave average speed of 2528 FPS.
40 gr gave average speed of 2602 FPS.

Both boys liked 38 gr. Velocity was a bit less consistent than at 40 grains. But definitely acceptable. Now I need to find two more 270s and sight them in for slower loads.


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Awesome! Glad that worked out for you and the boys. Hopefully they give you decent accuracy as well!
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Not really interested in cast bullets for this application. I was very happy with how the 4895 worked, but I have lots of 4198 as well. I’ll look for that formula as well. Thanks!


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I've used that formula many times in the past and have had good results; but with cast lead.
That formula is not intended for other powders in bottleneck cases. I doubt you will find a similar one for 4198.
Just stay at 60% or more to prevent a jacketed bullet from getting lodged in the bore when using 4895. Cast is easy to remove; jacketed is somewhat more difficult.
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