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Old 09-23-2018, 1:05 PM
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I guess you chose to not read the rest of my post and quote me out of context.
I read your whole post, didn't quote you "out of context," just quoted the operative part.

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I am not responsible for the actions of someone else once that ammo is out of my hands.
You sure can be.

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I do happen to own factory ammo that is loaded very hot for various reasons in various calibers.
Mmmmkay

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If someone that stole it chooses to dispose of it by shooting it in personal guns how is that my fault or problem?
The cops don't write the laws, and they do not steal ammo. Your comfort with cops getting mangled hands because you ran afoul of some law is the problem.

If some POS breaks into your garage and steals your 457+P ammo and blows up a trapdoor with it, that is one thing.

If you bring whatever hot ammo through an airport in violation of the rules, and a cop ends up with it because you cannot have it, you should not be content with his injury.

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Basically the same as purchasing random mystery ammo at a gun show or using random ammo you find on the ground at a shooting range.
No, it's not.

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I think in the extremely unlikely case of this happening a decent lawyer would have you acquitted. So Officer Joe Blow what is your departments policy on disposing of confiscated ammunition? Does it include firing it off in your personal guns? Well ummm, uh?
Who cares? The ammo was legally confiscated because you effed up. A disfigured cop makes that better for you? That would be worse for me.

It's just ammo, let it go, no need to hope for injured LE.
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Old 09-23-2018, 1:34 PM
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Declared firearms several times with AA out of Sacramento without issue. Ammo was in a factory box inside my luggage, not in the locked container with the handgun.

Had a somewhat funny experience with Alaska out of Sac recently. When I declared, the ticket agent made me put the declaration card INSIDE of my pistol case. There was a Sac Sheriff standing right there at the time and since he didn't correct her, neither did I.

About 20 minutes before my flight was to board. I see two deputies walking towards the counter at my gate. I tell my coworker I bet those guys are here for me. Sure enough, my name is on the PA. I can see the curious looks on everyone face as I walk towards the deputies. As I walk up I say to them "I knew that was going to be a problem" and one of them laughs and repeats what I say somewhat sarcastically. As they start to walk (escort) me away I start to explain what happened and that I wasn't trying to sneak a gun onto the plane without declaring it. One of them takes a picture of my ID, my cel number and the combo to my case. Then tell me they will call me if they have any issues.

All is fine and I take my flight to Indy. When I open my luggage at the rental car place (off airport) to arm myself, I find that my gun case wasn't closed/locked correctly and my handgun is just bouncing about in my luggage.
Last time I researched this, the owner of the checked firearm is to NEVER allow any government agent access to their weapon when not in their presence. The time to demand a supervisor was at the moment the counter fool wanted you to place the orange tag inside the weapon's case. I have always watched them tape the orange declaration card to the outside of the LOCKED pistol case, which then goes into the LOCKED travel vault. I also use one of those electronic tracking devices that is in the case with the weapon, so I can have an idea of where it is.
Never had any issues personally, but I do have two copies of the latest updated regs and specific airline policy: one set taped to the outside of the weapon case within the larger outer case, one one set with me while in the "sterile" area.
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Old 09-23-2018, 1:58 PM
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I read your whole post, didn't quote you "out of context," just quoted the operative part.



You sure can be.



Mmmmkay



The cops don't write the laws, and they do not steal ammo. Your comfort with cops getting mangled hands because you ran afoul of some law is the problem.

If some POS breaks into your garage and steals your 457+P ammo and blows up a trapdoor with it, that is one thing.

If you bring whatever hot ammo through an airport in violation of the rules, and a cop ends up with it because you cannot have it, you should not be content with his injury.



No, it's not.



Who cares? The ammo was legally confiscated because you effed up. A disfigured cop makes that better for you? That would be worse for me.

It's just ammo, let it go, no need to hope for injured LE.
Mmkay? So I can't use or own factory loaded ammo loaded hot for whatever reasons I may need or want to? Easily proven and not sure why you can't understand that.

Do stupid things, win stupid prizes. Why would someone use ammo stolen or not they don't know the provenance of? Why would I feel sorry for them for making poor decisions and going against likely policy/rules themselves?

If I understand it also there was no laws broken by transporting the ammo it was a airline misinterpreted policy or something.

Let it go man it is just a little bit of ammo!
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Old 09-23-2018, 2:09 PM
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.. have always watched them tape the orange declaration card to the outside of the LOCKED pistol case, which then goes into the LOCKED travel vault...
A locked hard case is all that is required. It may be placed inside soft luggage.

For a hard case only such as for long guns, I have been required to put my declaration inside the hard case. Some people start to look when the latches are undone. They are curious. I just open it enough to slip in the paper.

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Old 09-23-2018, 2:19 PM
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Declaration always goes inside case containing forearm. And non tsa lock on firearms,

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Old 09-23-2018, 7:50 PM
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Have you guys ever seen them weigh the ammo to make sure it doesn’t exceed 11lbs?
Yup, wasn't me but another competitor going to the same match.

It was on SW. Once they saw the ammo, they wanted to weigh it. It was a bit over the limit and he had to take out about 30 rounds to make weight...he had just packed 100 more than he needed.

The only airline where I've had them ask about ammo was when I flew Delta to AZ. I had mine in plastic MTM boxes and the agent thought they needed to be in OEM boxes. They called a supervisor over for a ruling. Luckily one of the guys I was flying with had the printed policy stating that aftermarket boxes were acceptable.

Ours had the cartridges cushioned with bubble wrap and the boxes were taped shut with duct tape.

The best experience we had was out of SeaTac where the ticket agent escorted you, and your luggage, over to a TSA point partitioned off with Herman-Miller screens. There you opened your gun case for him to inspect and you locked it when he was done. Then it went on a special cart to be placed on the belt to the plane.

The last few times I've flown, the ticket agents didn't even want me to open the gun case. They just wanted to see that it was locked before taping on the ID card
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