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Old 06-14-2018, 2:21 AM
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Would you rather Subgun, or Rifle? If this had to be a primary setup are you picking up the that

<insert subgun here> or the <insert rifle here>

The rules are no rules, anything can be included. Sbr, optics, auto, masterkey etc
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Old 06-14-2018, 5:03 AM
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Old 06-14-2018, 6:32 AM
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It depends upon the distance you need.

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Old 06-14-2018, 7:41 AM
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I’ll take a 16inch rifle with a binary trigger a 1-6 optic and a light. 556,762x39 or 308 would be fine.
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Old 06-14-2018, 7:47 AM
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Would you rather Subgun, or Rifle? If this had to be a primary setup are you picking up the that

<insert subgun here> or the <insert rifle here>

The rules are no rules, anything can be included. Sbr, optics, auto, masterkey etc
For what?

Anything like home defense, and a rifle is superior. More accurate, easier and faster to reload.

Id pick what i picked, my RAW, 16” with flash hider, eotech, and a light.
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Thank you, James Yeager...

I chose this.
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Old 06-14-2018, 7:52 AM
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Only subgun I'd ever be interested in is a real one (full auto or select fire). An MP5 SD variant of some kind would be nice.
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+1 for depends on circumstances. Inside my home, subgun all day. Outside or distance, rifle.
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Not just range, but power is a huge factor in why no one uses pistol caliber long guns for serious work any more. 5.56 weighs the same as 9mm. No reason to use a firearm that the ammo weighs as much as a round that has an effective range of 500 yards and a lot more power.
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Not just range, but power is a huge factor in why no one uses pistol caliber long guns for serious work any more. 5.56 weighs the same as 9mm. No reason to use a firearm that the ammo weighs as much as a round that has an effective range of 500 yards and a lot more power.
For me its not so much a power issue as it is an issue of trying to get around tight corners with a 16 inch barrel sticking out in front of you.
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10.5" 5.56

Or 18" 7.62 nato
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Old 06-14-2018, 8:23 AM
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MP5SD FTW!

Aside from that a CZ Bren 2 would be sick
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14.5" full auto M-16 pattern.
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Umm... so all the guys saying MP5 or some other 9mm what happens when your adversary is wearing armor? Heck even level II soft armor will stop 9mm not to mention level III or IV plates.

Personally I'd go for a SBR in 5.56 like the Sig MCX with Surefire 60rd mag, 1st choice. 2nd P90. 3rd MP7.

On second thought since you said no rules, I'd go for a Knights LAMG.

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For me its not so much a power issue as it is an issue of trying to get around tight corners with a 16 inch barrel sticking out in front of you.


Not that any of us can get NFA items here anyway, but 5.56 works pretty well in a 10.5” barrel. Most SWAT teams are using SBRs now.


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Tavor X95 would be tough to beat as a battle rifle. Ideal in/around vehicles and close quarters stuff while retaining the 16" barrel to make hits at 600yds. Smaller form factor than most AR sbr's.
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Old 06-14-2018, 9:04 AM
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Would you rather have a semi and trailer or a trials bike? Obviously, there's no way to know unless you know what the parameters are. The OP's question is no different.
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Old 06-14-2018, 9:20 AM
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If I could choose any guns:

- Inside the home, subgun and I would choose the RD9. I dig this thing very much, takes Glock mags, side charging, 9mm.
- Outside the home, a Noveske Infidel carbine (this is my favorite rifle that isn't considered an SBR)

I'd prefer both with an Aimpoint T5 Micro.

To be honest though, I wouldn't hesitate to use a rifle indoors if I really needed to though.
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Old 06-14-2018, 9:48 AM
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I want a 300blk with an 8.3" barrel. Can do it all. No real reason for a subgun unless you're clearing houses and a short 300blk does it better than a 9mm.

If it's a shtf scenario then I'll take a 14.5" light weight ar with an aimpoint sight.
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Old 06-14-2018, 9:54 AM
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A 600 meter rifle can shoot targets at 100 meters better than the other way around.
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Reality wise, I can't legally carry anything that is not linked to my CCW and I can't legally drop a bad guy outside of my home....9mm. If he's wearing armor well then I'll have to make my case in court for popping him or her in the forehead. I shoot to "stop" if I feel that my family or my life is in "imminent" danger. I'll let my lawyer answer any and all questions and hope my SD insurance can cover all legal costs
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Micro Galil.

Or Groza.
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in CA? (no sub guns)

probably a mossberg pump action with a speedfeed stock
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If you are talking a real world SHTF situation, I would think something in an intermediate cartridge along with select fire capabilities would be ideal for any situation you might encounter...
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Good luck finding one of those. I've always wanted one ever since reading John Ross's Unintended Consequences years ago. The MP5&dimes as they're known in certain circles. I think the FBI is the only agency in the country that has ever had any inventory of them.

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