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Old 08-11-2017, 10:19 PM
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Anyone here have experience with the Ruger 44 carbine? How are they to shoot?
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I owned one back in the 80's.
It must of had a bad bedding job. I couldn't keep it on the cardboard at
50yds. Bought and sold it the same year for a profit.
Went back a lever.
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Thank you sir! Appreciate the input. Also, love the avatar.
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Old 08-11-2017, 10:49 PM
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Just bought a "nearly new" (less than 30 rounds through it) one of 1963 vintage from here on CG. The test target prints well. This is my second one and I can't wait to wring it out myself.
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We really like the pair we keep at the ranch; for close-in hog culling they are the best. Hard hitting, fast, and decent accuracy (2" @ 50 yds, iron sights), makes them work very well. The short OAL makes them handy for frequently getting in/out of the ranch vehicles.
I wish Ruger would produce a stainless version. I'd buy another pair.
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Any recommendation as to ammo?
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:16 PM
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Various 240 grain jacketed bullets work well for me. I've never done an accuracy test between brands with it, but they all function well. I've heard unjacketed bullets will foul the gas system with lead.
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:35 PM
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In case anyone is not familiar there were actually two versions of Ruger's 44 Magnum carbines.

The first one they originally called the Deerstalker but they got sued by Ithaca, who owned the rights to the name, so Ruger change the name to the model 44, that one was made from the 60s until the mid 80s and had a 4 round tubular magazine, that wasn't visible like some lever action guns.

Their second version was called the Deerfield and had a 4 round rotary magazine (like the Ruger 10/22's) that model was made from 2000 to 2006.

They are easy to tell apart at a glance because the receiver of the first model early model has a closed top, and looks just like a big Ruger 10/ 22.
The more recent model has an open top receiver, which looks more like an M1 carbine.
I wish I owned one or both of them to tell you which one is better.

I love the idea of a stainless steel version that someone mentioned above.
If Ruger could pull that off in .357 (and having the possibility of shooting .38 specials that might not cycle the action.)
And a second version in 44 Magnum It might be a great seller for lots of the areas where folks need featureless style rifles or just prefer a short handy carbine that matches up with the ammo their handgun shoots.

Unfortunately Ruger had a failure, with their nicely designed "PC carbine" (that was meant for police = Police Carbine) and 9 mm and 40 caliber was a flop because I think the police wanted something with more penetrating (in case the bad guy was wearing a vest) and stopping power (and I guess it's possible the police forces maybe even started receiving plus surplus carbines from the federal government around the same time.)
If those carbines had taken Glock magazines, which a lot of the police were transitioning to, it might've helped sales.
But for now Ruger is out of the semi auto, pistol caliber, carbine game.
That's a darn shame because they used to produce pretty decent economy rifles.
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I had a Deerstalker back in the late 90's or early 2000's.
I only shot it about 100 rounds and determined that I did not like the recoil.
I sold it for a couple hundred more than I had bought it for just a few years earlier.
I wish I had kept it, even though I really didn't like shooting it...
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I had a Deerstalker back in the late 90's or early 2000's.
I only shot it about 100 rounds and determined that I did not like the recoil.
I sold it for a couple hundred more than I had bought it for just a few years earlier.
I wish I had kept it, even though I really didn't like shooting it...
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The one I am looking at was made in 77. Pretty clean, some junk in the barrel. Looks like it will clean nice though. Just marked 44 Magnum Carbine. Looks like a beechwood stock and a plastic buttplate and barrel band.
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Default Ruger 44 carbines?

I have one of the originals (mine was made in 1971). Fantastic gun, accurate enough to hit a 6" gong at 125 yards with iron sights every time I pull the trigger. Love it! I've never taken it out farther, nor have I tried for groups on paper -- it was my dad's, who gave it to me before he passed. It's extremely handy, feels shorter than it is, if that makes any sense. And besides shotgun slugs, nothing I have hits harder. Shooting melons with it is hilarious because they just vaporize lol! Not even my 308 or 30-06 make that kind of carnage.

It should be noted there are actually three different Ruger 44 carbines. The first was indeed called the Deerstalker (1961-1962). It's also commonly called the 99/44 because it resembles a beefed up 10/22. It actually works more like a gas operated shotgun than a 10/22, with a gas port half way down the underside of he barrel and a gas piston wrapped around the magazine tube.

The second is called the "Ruger 44 carbine" (1962-1985) .. it is the same gun as the Deerstalker but had its name changed due to a copyright claim. Ive only ever heard good things about this design, and it is quite common to hear stories of people regretting having sold theirs. Take note - it is only designed to run with 240 grain bullet.

The third is the "Deerfield" (2000-2006), which is based on the M1 Garand action (or River mini-14). This is, sadly, a completely different gun, with a completely different receiver and operating system. In my opinion it is bulky looking and just generally unattractive. But that's just me. (Well, not really just me because it only lasted 6 years of production and they aren't in any sled of demand now lol)

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This is the one in question.
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Default Ruger 44 carbines?

Right side would be a more telling picture.

But you said 1977 so it's obviously the "Ruger 44 Carbine" like mine. Again, great gun and that one looks like it's in great shape!

I've seen them go for prices from $450 to $800.

My vote is go for it!

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Says Ruger 44 Carbine on the side.
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I have a Ruger 44 Carbine (the one with a tube magazine). A friend had one, and it is the perfect brush gun, which prompted me to buy one. They are not as accurate as a bolt gun, but they were not designed to be as accurate, but they are sufficiently accurate that you can take down a deer out to 100 yards. It has the kick of a 30-30. The only downside is that it is gas operated, and using lead bullets can possibly lead to clogging the gas port. I am have 500 copper washed lead bullets and I am going to experiment with them, and see if they are operate the action without clogging the gas port.
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I always want one myself to joint with the M1 Carb. however with that being said i did came across one but the asking price was over rated. if it was a little bit last i would of pick it up than got the bolt action one too. having one in semi and bolt as a pair would been very nice. still today i'm been trying to find the semi but one of my lgs has the bolt still, I'm more of a Carb than over those mil weapon. one day i'll get bolt as one as my backup hunting and one to used as my deer hunting.
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I've owned several and still have one made in '70s . My favorite load is 210 seira over case full of H110 .

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There is a recoil pad by John Masen made specifcally to fit the Ruger carbines. It adds about an inch to the length of pull but helps with felt recoil.
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I would not mind buying one.Would be a fun toy.
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I would say buy it it looks in really good condition for its age.
It's the earlier model 44 type.
As someone mentioned above

"The chief complaint of the rifle was that the gas ports quickly fouled when using lead ammunition. This became less of an issue as manufacturers of .44 Magnum ammunition offered jacketed rounds instead of traditional lead".

Maybe that's what you're seeing as "junk" in the barrel?

Are you are handloader and will be loading a lot of lead rounds?

If you already have other handguns in 44 Magnum they could be a nice set.

How much is he asking, just out of curiosity?
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If I had the disposable I'd snap it up, just because I think they're neat and keeno.

I seem to remember that they had a rep for jamming; using loads other than the specified jacketed 240 gr. ammo might be the reason for that. There was one notorious shoot-out with LE where one of the perps had a jammed Ruger .44 carbine, thought it might've been Newhall but went & checked and it wasn't that incident.
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There was one notorious shoot-out with LE where one of the perps had a jammed Ruger .44 carbine, thought it might've been Newhall but went & checked and it wasn't that incident.
You may be thinking of the 1986 FBI shootout in Miami with suspects named Platt and Matix. One of them was armed with a Ruger Mini-14 and killed two FBI agents with it.
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Found it!

The Newhall Massacre, The Ayoob Files, American Handgunner, July/August 1988.

Wiki and other articles I looked up only mention the firearms actually used, this account also reports the ones that weren't.

"They have amassed an arsenal of guns that includes a S&W Model 39 9mm auto, a six inch Colt Python .357 Magnum, two snubnose Colt .38 revolvers, a 1903 Springfield .30/06 military rifle, a Remington model 572 .22 pump rifle, and a Ruger Deerstalker .44 Magnum semiautomatic carbine which they've left in the trunk in a jammed condition that they couldn't clear."
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I would say buy it it looks in really good condition for its age.
It's the earlier model 44 type.
As someone mentioned above

"The chief complaint of the rifle was that the gas ports quickly fouled when using lead ammunition. This became less of an issue as manufacturers of .44 Magnum ammunition offered jacketed rounds instead of traditional lead".

Maybe that's what you're seeing as "junk" in the barrel?

Are you are handloader and will be loading a lot of lead rounds?

If you already have other handguns in 44 Magnum they could be a nice set.

How much is he asking, just out of curiosity?

I can do hand loads for it, just need the fie. This is the only 44 I have. The barrel had some spider guys in it.
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