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Old 05-16-2017, 12:06 PM
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Default High capacity kits (???)

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...f-11150073.php


San Francisco wants to halt high capacity kits sales.

Was a definition of high capacity KIT ever established?
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No.

It's probably a reasonable speculation that a complete magazine kit that could be assembled into a LCM qualifies, but short of a complete kit things seem murkier.
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But you can get free needles and methadone , so there's that.
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But you can get free needles and methadone , so there's that.
Needles and methadone don't kill people. Guns do. Just ask Planned Parenthood.

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Here's a slightly different take from one of the defendants in the suit:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1333748

Essentially, they all paid $7500 combined and agreed to not do something which they already were not doing. In return, customer lists remain confidential.
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Here's a slightly different take from one of the defendants in the suit:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1333748

Essentially, they all paid $7500 combined and agreed to not do something which they already were not doing. In return, customer lists remain confidential.
So a follower and a spring for a Sig 226 15rd magazine is NOT a high capacity kit. Correct ?
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So a follower and a spring for a Sig 226 15rd magazine is NOT a high capacity kit. Correct ?
Nothing in that thread, nor any other I have read at Calguns, can provide an answer to that question.
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Weren't "rebuild kits" banned by yet another law just a few years ago? Isn't this a moot issue now?
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Weren't "rebuild kits" banned by yet another law just a few years ago? Isn't this a moot issue now?
Possibly.

Whether they were banned turns on whether they would be 'large capacity magazine conversion kits'. We don't know if they are what the law proscribes.
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Nothing in that thread, nor any other I have read at Calguns, can provide an answer to that question.
I am not a lawyer, but the only way I can interpret a " conversion kit" , would be that it is something that can CONVERT a 10 round magazine to a 10+ magazine. A spring for a Beretta 30rd magazine , can not convert a 10 OR a 15 rd magazine to a 20 OR 30 round magazine. Therefore a spring is not a conversion kit.

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From the info I have read the real issue was selling the mag bodies, not necessarily the base plate or springs.
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From the info I have read the real issue was selling the mag bodies, not necessarily the base plate or springs.
Exactly . In my younger days, Gunlist and Shotgun News had MAGAZINE REBUILD KITS for sale. They included follower, spring and base plate ONLY. If You bought one You could not assemble a complete magazine. We have magazine parts at the range so officers could replace worn out springs and followers . Those parts are not considered CONVERSION KITS.

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I am not a lawyer, but the only way I can interpret a " conversion kit" , would be that it is something that can CONVERT a 10 round magazine to a 10+ magazine. A spring for a Beretta 30rd magazine , can not convert a 10 OR a 15 rd magazine to a 20 OR 30 round magazine. Therefore a spring is not a conversion kit.
You're free to act as you perceive your best interests.

But if challenged - a very remote possibility, I think - you would have to convince a jury. With no information at all on what the state thinks is enough for a 'large-capacity conversion kit' and the, IMO ambiguous, text of the law, I perceive my best interests are to avoid the issue entirely.
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So can I use my 30 round mag if it's blocked and really only holds 10 rounds?
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If the companies refused shipment to "San Francisco" Herrera would have been SOL.

Other jurstictions could bring lawsuits but it seems to be a SF thing. The state didn't ask to be enjoined for some reason
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So can I use my 30 round mag if it's blocked and really only holds 10 rounds?
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You're free to act as you perceive your best interests.

But if challenged - a very remote possibility, I think - you would have to convince a jury. With no information at all on what the state thinks is enough for a 'large-capacity conversion kit' and the, IMO ambiguous, text of the law, I perceive my best interests are to avoid the issue entirely.
Common sense would dictate that a "large capacity conversion kit" would be any part or set of parts which when installed into a 10 round magazine, causes it to be able to hold and fire more than ten rounds. Obviously the mag tubes are the most obvious part.
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The old practice of disassembling a high cap magazine into parts to sell it "legally", is that allowed? The reason I ask is I still see people doing it here but it would seem to be clearly illegal.
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The old practice of disassembling a high cap magazine into parts to sell it "legally", is that allowed? The reason I ask is I still see people doing it here but it would seem to be clearly illegal.
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Since San Francisco sued and collected thousands of dollars from three businesses that were legally selling kits I wouldn't rely too much on what the law is.
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The old practice of disassembling a high cap magazine into parts to sell it "legally", is that allowed? The reason I ask is I still see people doing it here but it would seem to be clearly illegal.
This is exactly what I said several times on this forum:

A disassembled magazine is NOT A MAGAZINE REBUILD KIT.

A follower , spring and butt plate IS A MAGAZINE REBUILD/MAINTANCE KIT.

A high capacity CONVERSION KIT is a part or a combination of parts that would convert a 10 round ( or less) magazine into a magazine that would hold 11+ rounds.

A Wolff magazine spring for a G17 17rd maagzine is NOT a magazine conversion kit since it will not help anyone to convert a Glock 10 round maagzine into a 10 + magazine.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
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This is exactly what I said several times on this forum:

A disassembled magazine is NOT A MAGAZINE REBUILD KIT.

A follower , spring and butt plate IS A MAGAZINE REBUILD/MAINTANCE KIT.

A high capacity CONVERSION KIT is a part or a combination of parts that would convert a 10 round ( or less) magazine into a magazine that would hold 11+ rounds.

A Wolff magazine spring for a G17 17rd maagzine is NOT a magazine conversion kit since it will not help anyone to convert a Glock 10 round maagzine into a 10 + magazine.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
Nobody knows if you might be right or wrong. There is nothing in Penal Code or regulations, and so far as I know there is no citable court precedent to provide any clarification.

You need to stop asking the question, because there is no answer.

I realize Calgunners have a strong aversion to uncertainty, but sometimes that's the way things are.
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My search for knowledge on the subject was started when I noticed somebody here selling a gun that looked like it had six hi-caps with it. I asked if they were legal mags or only for LE and got this double talk baloney answer:

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Sti magazine will be sold to anyone as parts not complete units as not breaking law if you decide to put them together as 10 rounders or full capacity is up to end user.
The reason I care is that Calguns is the only good Cali gun site and I would hate to see it shut down for allowing illegal transactions which this clearly would be. Unless somebody installs permanent blocks to limit capacity, those mags are illegal.

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This is exactly what I said several times on this forum:

A disassembled magazine is NOT A MAGAZINE REBUILD KIT.

A follower , spring and butt plate IS A MAGAZINE REBUILD/MAINTANCE KIT.

A high capacity CONVERSION KIT is a part or a combination of parts that would convert a 10 round ( or less) magazine into a magazine that would hold 11+ rounds.

A Wolff magazine spring for a G17 17rd maagzine is NOT a magazine conversion kit since it will not help anyone to convert a Glock 10 round maagzine into a 10 + magazine.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
Bingo.

So, a complete set of parts for a 30 round magazine is not a CONVERSION KIT, since none of those parts or a combination of them would CONVERT your 10- round magazine into a 10+ round magazine (or a 'high-capacity ammunition feeding device' as they state).

There should be no problem buying or selling those parts in this state under the law, because they don't 'convert' anything. However, assembling those parts into a functioning magazine would be a crime under prior, previously existing law.

Magazine extension parts and/or kits are obviously 'conversion' oriented however, because they do 'convert' an existing device.
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So can I use my 30 round mag if it's blocked and really only holds 10 rounds?
what's a definition of "blocked" these days ? I did search, but couldn't find much recent. thanks.
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what's a definition of "blocked" these days ? I did search, but couldn't find much recent. thanks.
We don't have one of those, either.

Preventing the mag from accepting more than 10 rounds is obvious.

The contentious item here at Calguns is 'what is "permanent" in the context of blocking a mag?'

At one time, DOJ tried to get in regs that would have included a definition, or at least a description, of what they thought 'permanent' might mean. But those proposed regs were withdrawn.
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So nobody knows if we can still use a 30rd mag that has been blocked off to only hold 10rds ?.....sounds like these new laws are as clear as mud
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Of course you can, so long as the modification is permanent.
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For purposes of Proposition 63 and the new ban on standard capacity magazines, could one disassemble the magazine and just keep the parts?

I know that a collection of parts is considered a "magazine conversion kit" under the DOJ's proposed emergency regulations for purposes of the existing ban on sale/importation. But that ban does not include possession, so it would seem that possession of a repair kit is OK. Do I interpret this correctly?

(Also, those regulations were withdrawn, but are there any new ones since then?)

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DOJ proposed emergency regulations: "A disassembled large-capacity magazine that may be readily assembled, which is in the possession of or under the control of the same person is a large-capacity magazine conversion kit."

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(a) Except as provided in Article 2 (commencing with Section 32400) of this chapter and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, commencing January 1, 2014, any person in this state who knowingly manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, buys, or receives any large capacity magazine conversion kit is punishable by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000) or imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed six months, or by both that fine and imprisonment. This section does not apply to a fully assembled large-capacity magazine, which is governed by Section 32310.
(b) For purposes of this section, a “large capacity magazine conversion kit” is a device or combination of parts of a fully functioning large-capacity magazine, including, but not limited to, the body, spring, follower, and floor plate or end plate, capable of converting an ammunition feeding device into a large-capacity magazine.
It appears that any large capacity magazine repair kit imported into the state prior to 1/1/14 is legal to keep (see first bolded section). Remember, the state will have to prove you imported after 1/1/14. So if found with them, STFU and let your attorney handle it.

Now if you take them out of state, you legally cannot bring them back.

The second bold is the definition of a large capacity conversion kit. Carefully note the wording of the first part without trying to force a common sense definition. Remember, CA gun laws are not based on common sense. Many are reading into large capacity conversion kit the idea of a kit that converts a 10 round magazine into a 11+ round magazine. The definition does not describe that.

A large capacity magazine conversion kit is a device or combination of parts of a fully functioning large-capacity magazine, including, but not limited to.....

Notice the key words, combination of parts of a fully functioning large-capacity magazine. Combination of parts could easily be argued in court to be more than one part from one large capacity magazine, so any two parts and it does not have to include the mag body.

Also notice the weasel words after, including but not limited to. So it gives some examples but these are not the only ones, there are others not covered.

The examples: the body, spring, follower, and floor plate or end plate. So any combination of these parts or other parts needed for a large capacity magazine because of the not limited to wording. This would cover a mag extension. The +2 for a G26 is no go, but the +2 for a G42 is GTG.

The last part is the confusing part: capable of converting an ammunition feeding device into a large-capacity magazine.

I believe most of us would interpret this to mean, when combined with the above, and common sense, because we are familiar with guns and how they function, that one would need the mag body and at least one other part for that mag body to be in violation of that law. That is stupid, a G17 17 round mag body and the base plate when the base plate works for the G17 10 round mag body or any other Glock 9mm mag body (except the G43).

Remember, if caught, your attorney has to convince a DA not to press charges, and if charges are pressed, then your attorney has to convince a jury. How will that go in SF or LA or even Sac. If convicted, you have to go through the appeals process. A smart prosecutor will have some "expert" fuse two 10 round mag bodies together and use the large capacity mag parts confiscated to construct a workable large capacity magazine.

In the end, this is why, without regulations from the DOJ or court cases, this is an unknown.

IMVHO most found with just disassemble mags will have them confiscated as nuisances because it will cost to much to hire an attorney to get them back. Our court system is overworked and DAs will not prosecute just for this. They are off the street.

Now, if there was other drama involved, it will be used as an add on for the news media. After that, it likely will get dropped in a plea deal but they will not be returned.

I suggest than anyone who even has a day or two off go to their local court house and sit in a courtroom or two and see how things work. You might be surprised.
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Thank you for your response and detailed analysis.

I followed your explanation, and in the end however, all of that cautioning about the definition of a conversion kit still only relates to: "manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, buys, or receives."

Nothing about possession. So even so, it should be fine to possess one as long as it was acquired or imported before Jan 1, 2014, no?
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Thank you for your response and detailed analysis.

I followed your explanation, and in the end however, all of that cautioning about the definition of a conversion kit still only relates to: "manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, buys, or receives."

Nothing about possession. So even so, it should be fine to possess one as long as it was acquired or imported before Jan 1, 2014, no?
Yes, it should be fine to posses one as long as it was acquired or imported before 1/1/2014. The onus is on the state to prove when you acquired them. This was the first part of my previous answer.

Remember, this is CA, and depending on where you live, if found with them, LE might just confiscate and let the DA figure it out. At that point you will likely be SOL. You will likely need an attorney to get them back and it would cost more to get them back than they their value. If you get charged with something, you will need an attorney so again, if found by LE, STFU, do not answer any question and repeat I will not answer any question without my attorney present and am I free to go.

Keep the disassemble large capacity magazines well hidden so they are not readily visible. Do not keep them with your other firearm related stuff. I also strongly suggest that you do not tell anyone where you keep them.
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