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Look, most people act differently around police. Some might think it's the badge or the uniform, others may be concerned about the handcuffs and being hauled to jail, but when you strip it down to the basics, a handsome uniform or handcuffs isnt what changes people's behavior. It is the authority to use lethal force and the tools to back it up. I'm not saying that an openly carried sidearm or rifle is a magical talisman that wards off bad juju... or that should be the only available tool to create distance or defense. But saying that OC isnt a deterent 'in most cases' is just plain silly.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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I'm in Arcata once or twice a month for business. Definitely an interesting town. I like it. Lukes Joint in the plaza is a nice little restaurant. You either get Arcata or you don't.
Given all that, I carry 24/7 there. I get a semi "wild west" feeling when I'm up in that part of California. The APD deals with a lot of "different" people there. But that gives them no excuse to seize a firearm. There is a lot of power play in those towns. Everyone is trying to rab their part. |
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If you were or ever had been a Humboldt County resident you would understand that it was seized because he was in Arcata and guns are bad. Mmmmmmmkay?
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Fix bayonets!
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If you are referring to defense against a knife armed attacker (which they had fun playing with on Mythbusters), why not use a bayonet equipped long arm? Hell, even a buttstroke would work. A rifle doesn't have to have ammunition to be a lethal weapon. |
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I always try to read an entire thread before I post, and I was going crazy in this one until I came across this post. It's a wonder how we, as a group of firearm owners, ever get anything accomplished. On my way to throw a few bucks to CGF for working on this case. |
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CA AWB: Roberti-Roos passed in 1989. SB-23 passed in 1999. Magazine ban passed in 1999. The Safe Handgun Roster passed in 2000. Since then, we've kicked the crap out of these restrictions, steadily gaining ground every year. That's generally called "winning". Pointing to bills passed in 89/99/2000 and saying "we're not winning" in 2012 is about as nonsensical as claiming the US lost WWII because the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Would you rather go back to the AWB banning all ARs/AKs/semi-autos with pistol grips, only having 10 round magazines, and never being able to buy off list handguns? |
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Arcata is a crazy place on Halloween partly due to it being a college town. A few years ago before they started closing down the plaza, it was chaotic and mostly uncontrollable during that specific night. Even though the police made an attempt to keep it manageable by closing it off. Its apparent it had a minimal effect considering what was reported in the papers.
If memory serves me right, there use to an old veteran that would walk the streets in his fatigues and a rifle slung over the shoulder. From what I heard, the police knew of him but left him along. Also, with Humboldt being so remote, guns are pretty common. And, in my opinion, the police up here don't get overly excited about guns unless they pose a possible safety situation to themselves. I to don't agree with what happen in Arcata. But can kind of see why they made that decision. A crap load of people (drunk college kids) in a small space + exposed rifle may of gotten ugly with the wrong mix of people (stabbings are common in the plaza). But illegally seizing someones weapon was not the way to do it. Last edited by chris10; 11-03-2012 at 8:42 PM.. |
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Think about it like this: Let's say CA banned cars that used gasoline, but due to the sloppy language, there was few particular vehicles that were exempt from these restrictions. You buy one. You call that winning? I don't. If you look BEFORE those bills, all those things were LEGAL. All semi-auto rifles, standard cap mags, all handguns, etc. Go back before the 68 GCA and the 34 NFA, and even more freedoms regarding firearms were had. We are LOSING. We are just losing SLOWLY. Name the bills we PASSED, or REPEALED. Not the ones we STOPPED, or found a way to deal with. Last edited by lilro; 11-03-2012 at 9:00 PM.. |
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Your argument is downright puerile and serves only to perpetuate self-pity. We are winning, for many reasons - but not one of them is crying into our beers. -Brandon
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It seems to me that the APD was dealing with a drunk, hostile crowd. That crowd had attacked officers by throwing items at them. One officer ended up at the hospital for stitches after being struck with a beer bottle. YOU DO NOT ATTACK THE POLICE!!!! I'm hard pressed to feel that the officer did something wrong. Seems to me like they were trying to control a hostile crowd and confiscating that weapon was part of the attempt to bring the crowd in line.
Is it really unreasonable seizure of a weapon from someone when that person is part or a hostile crowd? Last edited by SoCal326; 11-03-2012 at 9:23 PM.. |
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Bottom line: rights were violated. Are you ok with that? -Brandon
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I'm 5 minutes or so from where it happened, and it really is a flat scary place on Halloween night. This was no different and its become brutal, drunkards with disregard for anyone around, and just drugged out hippie idiots trying to be "free". I wouldn't go there but it doesn't mean I don't think it is ridiculous that a person had an illegally confiscated weapon. I can't wait to see what happens here and I hope Brandon kicks their asses around and the officer involved gets nailed for it.
I should pull pics from things like Rocky Horror Picture Show events, Halloween, 4/20, and other events that are just flat crazy these days. I wouldn't take my family in the TOWN, much less to the plaza these days on holidays like this. Its unfortunate, and I see what the officer was THINKING albeit wrong either way. |
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Again, what bills did we PASS, or REPEAL? When did we score a TD? When did we get a bogus fumble overturned? We didn't. We slow them down. That is all. |
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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We're not going to score on every possession, but we are winning. -Brandon
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Breaking the law, that is. Last edited by Wojtek; 11-03-2012 at 10:36 PM.. |
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^^^The above is just an opinion. NRA Patron Member CRPA 5 yr Member "...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas Jefferson |
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Exactly right
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And let's not forget the steady national sweep of reformed carry laws since 1986 http://www.handgunlaw.us/images/righ...ry-history.gif |
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If we collect enough of these stones, what we will have is an inpenetrable wall built up around the remnants of the second amendment in California.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Ah...No. I always appreciate the facts. All I have read thus far is rumor, second hand reports, and conjecture. A police incident or arrest report would end the speculation. I've written to them for the releasable record, although that could be sketchy too, beings that none of us were involved
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One of those touch downs is shall issue in Sacramento county where Thousands now carry legally everyday . And we are not politically connected or super rich , yet . Just a regular worker with a family and 3 gunson my license : )
Thank you and another donation is on its way |
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Glad you got your permit man! Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk 2 |
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I also misspelled "losing". Meh. Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk 2 |
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lol nice.
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In other words, a butt stroke to the head with an AR will put a man down to the point where he won't be getting back up without medical care or ever. |
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Using the foot ball analogy.....yardage doesn't mean S**T. You can rush for 10,000 yards in a game and not win. Scoring is what wins and in this state we are not even on the score board and they have been stomping a mud hole in us for points. They scored on the AWB, they scored on mag restrictions, they scored on the roster, Open carry they scored TWICE!!! Give me a break, in this state we haven't even been close to the end zone. Using a porn analogy we are virgins and they are Ron Jeromy, come on stop with the everything is rosy BS.
In this state I am with this team win, loose of draw but coach.. don't tell me we are winning. We are barley in the game.
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You're quite wrong but I suspect you're unwilling to consider any perspective that disagrees with yours.
Sir, may I offer your another beer to cry in? -Brandon Quote:
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Might I remind everyone that, as recently as June 2010, Californians didn't have a judicially-recognized Second Amendment.
Two years. Two short years since then to work cases up through slow-moving courts. Patience isn't a virtue; it's a necessity. Restoring the Second Amendment will take years and decades, not months and weeks. In any case, can we get back to the OP or lock this thread until we have an update? This matter is really a Fourth Amendment issue anyway. -Brandon
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Brandon Combs I do not read private messages, and my inbox is usually full. If you need to reach me, please email me instead. My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer. Last edited by wildhawker; 11-04-2012 at 11:17 AM.. |
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That is a very specialized and unusual circumstance. Not relevant to the discussion.
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Edited to add: Nothing in this post is intended to imply that I do not support those who (unwisely in my opinion) openly carry. I don’t think it wise to randomly flip off CHP’s either, but if it’s your thing I fully support your right do do it.
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In Heller we got a blown call on a TD (2A) overturned. In McDonald we got a bogus fumble overturned. Game ain’t over.
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It worked during the fires in 2007 to keep looters out of neighborhoods. I have friends that have "been there, done that". About a dozen cars/trucks an hour saw them standing at the end of a private road and decided to turn around, quite a few pickups with multiple big screens in the back.
It also seems to work for the military, ask any one who has stood watch. Side arm on one side of the duty belt, magazines on the other. |
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If he don't want it I'll take it!!
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This thread isn't the place for all your whining. It is about a man who, allegedly, had his firearm illegally seized by the police.
Another thing; everyone needs to keep reading so much into the story or putting personal spins on it. Does the law say "except for Halloween" or except for "the Plaza"? Does the law say "when it makes sense" or when "you would have done the same thing"? I could go on and on here... Heaven forbid any of you guys ever end up with your rights violated. |
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OOPS...sorry I forgot, for those of us that are not in the "KNOW" the possibility of getting something back 30 years from now that we lost 24 years ago is "WINNING". Sorry I retract my previous statement, clearly I can not see the forest for all the trees.
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What do you expect? Sorry they aren't going fast enough to suit you, the courts move at their own pace, and we've only had the Second Amendment in California since June of 2010. Prior to formally incorporating, basically operating as individuals they accomplished quite a bit:
CGF Successes (2008-Present) [This list needs an update, there are more successes or pending cases...]
What do you expect? .
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Last edited by HowardW56; 11-04-2012 at 6:44 PM.. Reason: correction |
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