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The 870 is likely not factory NFA, so I have to assume it was Form 1 or Form 2'd more than 50 years ago. Is this the case? |
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The 870 came to us on a Form 3. The ATF approved it. We're waiting on ATF to process the rest of the forms for the other SBSs to come through. My understanding was the Monterey County had used these SBSs on duty as it had a property tag on it from the S.O. I have tried to contact the sergeant in charge to get more history and information, but he has been unresponsive. The first 870 C&R SBS sold at the SJ Gun Show on Saturday. We'll post in the commercial section when the others are available.
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Replicas and reproductions are not C&R qualified unless they are 50 years old themselves.
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...under state law. Federal law allows for for replicas and reproductions.
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This is true under federal law. However, the state only defines C&Rs as being over fifty years old. I used to have a C&R license prior to having an 07/FFL. I could not legal purchase guns less than 50 years old on that license.
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go to the OP and look for the list of known SOTs willing to sell to the public. Call up one close enough to you and tell them what you want. They should be able to hold your hand through the process.
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Jack Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA? No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. |
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you would be making a modern SBR, and you cant do that in CA unless you get a virtually impossible to get CADOJ Dangerous Weapons Permit.
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H&R single shot .410 break open pistol manufacturered 1924-1934. Guy had them in the state, dies, and some guys I know are going to get them in an estate sale.
Legal, can be legal, or illegal? Talking to the potential buyer, the Blue Book says they should have been registered or they are illegal. Sounds good to me. What do you guys think?
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Find out if they are already registered NFA items or if they have rifled barrels.
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Would have to be already papered as an AOW I think. Illegal SBS if not.
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Not rifled. Definitely smooth bore.
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if the barrel is removed and removed from the owner's control, it is just a title 1 firearm. At that point, a person can legally file a Form 1 to make an AOW. once the Form 1 is approved, it can engraved with the maker's info and a NEW smooth barrel installed. you aren't supposed to put the orginal barrel back on the firearm. by doing so, it would appear that the original barrel was never discarded by the owner and therefore it never left Title II status.
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To those who purchased an AOW via trust:
Does it matter how you paid for the AOW? Is it ok for me to pay via cc in my personal name, or does the account of whatever form of payment (cc, check, cashier's check) need to be associated with the trust? |
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You will never, in your life, have a chance like this again. If I were you, I would not pass this up. I would not let this go by...this is rare. Come on...what harm?? Last edited by joefrank64k; 06-18-2013 at 10:34 AM.. |
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Anyone have any luck with an AOW purchase due to the timeline of tax stamps vs pending SSE legislation?
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Depending on if AB169 passes and is signed by the Governor, it is far too late to instigate a Form 4. They are taking 7 months currently. Of course, if AB169 is not signed into law, it would still be possible.
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The place where I got my Serbu has pulled them all from the shelves pending this sort of legislation. Really sucks.
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Got a question for the experts... I'm getting the itch to build something and this little project looked like fun. It's a Leinad Double Derringer. Side plates and parts kits can be had for relatively little money. From what I've read and seen in Youtube vids, the barrels are .45LC or .410 and are rifled. Here's a pic of the finished product in question.
Now, if I wanted to build one, could I just go the single shot route and then convert it back? Since the barrels are rifled, does it exempt it from AW, CA SBS and NFA status? If not, could I build it as an AOW or would the barrels need to be smoothbores?
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This was asked in another thread and I hypothesized the legality of it... but can someone answer it definiteively?
How do you put a VFG on an AR pistol and have it not fall under NFA AOW rules? Is it because it's over 26" overall length but is not carried concealed upon the person?
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But under CA law, don't rifles have to at least 30" long? So our AR pistols are still pistols under CA law, but we can add a VFG as long as it is over 26" but under 30"?
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From what I understand, there is no maximum length on pistols.
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they do prohibit them on semi-auto pistols with detachable magazines, creates an AW. but a maglock clears that hurdle.
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they would be exempt from CA's SBR law, but there is no C&R exemption to the AW laws, so you need to make sure you don't create an AW because of evil features or being <30" OAL.
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