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First off, I'm a Buddhist and have been for most of my life. I like to read about other faiths and see how they are in line with my Buddhist way of life.

So...my thought....
Its well documented about Jesus' early years, but there is a time frame that he was gone. From what I have read, he disappeared for about 30 years. During the time of Jesus, the spice road and trade was a big deal at that time. It would make sense that someone would work on the caravans and travel to and from the Asian countries. I'm thinking Jesus learned about the Buddha and his teachings while he was in Asia. He then brought those teachings to the middle east.

I'm not saying this is absolutely true, but am wondering if it might be. Afterall, Buddha was alive about 250 years prior to Jesus and his teachings were well documented and taught during that time.

So watcha think?

I know that your faith and truth of the word will keep you in one thought, but try to open your mind and see if there might be some truth to the story. Or not.
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I think that's a stretch.
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He is believed to have been 32 at the time of his crucifixion.
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He is believed to have been 32 at the time of his crucifixion.
I would have thought he was crucified in his later 30's. Moot point.

There are many teachings of the Buddha that are equivelant to that of Jesus.
Google Buddha Jesus as brothers and you will find teachings that are equivelant.

Not trying to change beliefs here, just making an interesting point.
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Wow - that's creative, but not true. Jesus didn't disappear for 30 years. Luke 2:41-52 tell the story of his trip to Jerusalem for the Passover when He was 12. His parents went every year, so they didn't go anywhere either. And 2:51-52 says He returned and continued to grow up in Nazareth.

Mark 6:3-4 shows that He was known, along with His family. He was a local carpenter. Jesus acknowledged their comment.

First, the Bible commands us NOT to go beyond what is written (1 Corinthians 4:6). Second, the Bible reveals that Jesus Christ created and sustains all things (Colossians 1:16-17). Jesus used this fact in discussing Abraham with the Jews in John 8:52-59. He told them that He existed before Abraham and Abraham knew Him.

So, Jesus Christ created Buddha. And, Buddha wouldn't acknowledge Him as His God, so we know what that means (Romans 1:18-24). Buddha was a mere man, who died and believed in annihilationism. In actuality, when he died, he met Christ (Hebrews 9:27) and was judged per that verse.
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Wow - that's creative, but not true. Jesus didn't disappear for 30 years. Luke 2:41-52 tell the story of his trip to Jerusalem for the Passover when He was 12. His parents went every year, so they didn't go anywhere either. And 2:51-52 says He returned and continued to grow up in Nazareth.

Mark 6:3-4 shows that He was known, along with His family. He was a local carpenter. Jesus acknowledged their comment.

First, the Bible commands us NOT to go beyond what is written (1 Corinthians 4:6). Second, the Bible reveals that Jesus Christ created and sustains all things (Colossians 1:16-17). Jesus used this fact in discussing Abraham with the Jews in John 8:52-59. He told them that He existed before Abraham and Abraham knew Him.

So, Jesus Christ created Buddha. And, Buddha wouldn't acknowledge Him as His God, so we know what that means (Romans 1:18-24). Buddha was a mere man, who died and believed in annihilationism. In actuality, when he died, he met Christ (Hebrews 9:27) and was judged per that verse.
So your saying Buddha was around during the time of Jesus?
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So your saying Buddha was around during the time of Jesus?
No. And, that's not what Jesus told the Jews about Abraham. Jesus Christ is God, therefore, is eternal. He created time and space and all life in it. Soooo, He was around before all of us... Go read those verses I referenced.
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The bible does have some time gaps. Since Jesus still had the physical nature from infancy to adolescence then becoming a adult. Since Jesus has been estimated to die and resurrect @ 33. It would be a stretch to fit some 30 years into that for Eastern Religious study....
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The bible does have some time gaps. Since Jesus still had the physical nature from infancy to adolescence then becoming a adult. Since Jesus has been estimated to die and resurrect @ 33. It would be a stretch to fit some 30 years into that for Eastern Religious study....
Is there a time frame that Jesus was not around according to the Bible?
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I think it’s a stretch because Jesus taught about suffering through His way of life and Buddhist teaching involves avoiding suffering. Not t mention Jesus as a young boy was already teaching with Authority at the temple. Interesting notion though
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Is there a time frame that Jesus was not around according to the Bible?
Not for any length of time.
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Yeah, I am a Buddhist convert. It's not a stretch to believe that Jesus came into contact with the teachings of Buddha, Buddha and his teachings predate the birth and life of Jesus. There are even some people who believe Jesus is buried in India. Ultimately though it does not matter, as Hillary would say "What difference does it make". Christians will not accept this belief as it would contradict their belief about Jesus, God and all that.

case in point, bill saying that Jesus created Buddha.
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Yeah, I am a Buddhist convert. It's not a stretch to believe that Jesus came into contact with the teachings of Buddha, Buddha and his teachings predate the birth and life of Jesus. There are even some people who believe Jesus is buried in India. Ultimately though it does not matter, as Hillary would say "What difference does it make". Christians will not accept this belief as it would contradict their belief about Jesus, God and all that.

case in point, bill saying that Jesus created Buddha.
Mossy - Christians won't accept anything not revealed by God through the Bible. Truth is objective and revealed by God. God says He created Buddha because He created ALL things.

You see, Jesus Christ IS truth. Truth is not independent from Him. He is truth and, therefore, what He says is truth (Ps.119; John 1:1-5, 14,17;14:6;17:17;1 Cor 1:30; Eph. 4:21, how many more do you need?)...

What external, objective, revealed source of truth do you have to prove your point? You see, that's the problem. Anything that comes merely from us is opinion. And, we're fallen sinners whose thinking is corrupt and fallen with the rest of us. The only source of truth is God's revealed word. Since He reveals and proves Himself to be omniscient and omnipotent, I'll stick with Him!

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Jesus went to India in some of those lost years.
Here is one of several links available documenting the subject.

The Lost Years of Jesus: The Life of Saint Issa
http://reluctant-messenger.com/issa.htm

But,....it can't possibly be true because it is not in the Bible. (grin)
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Jesus went to India in some of those lost years.
Here is one of several links available documenting the subject.

The Lost Years of Jesus: The Life of Saint Issa
http://reluctant-messenger.com/issa.htm

But,....it can't possibly be true because it is not in the Bible. (grin)
Correct. It can't possibly be true because it is not in the Bible.

I believe we'd say you're believing fake news...

IOW - Think about truth, absolute, unchanging, verifiable truth. Do you think you have it in you because you think thoughts and reason? That's just opinion. And, we're fallen and often wrong. Truth is a person - Jesus Christ. And, He didn't go to India. He did go to Egypt, but not India nor Indiana (grin).
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Mossy - Christians won't accept anything not revealed by God through the Bible.
Exactly why I said theorizing on Buddha's teachings impact on the early life of Jesus is ultimately pointless. As the bible never mentions Buddha, Christians will never take anything not inline with their previously held beliefs seriously.

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You see, Jesus Christ IS truth. (Various bible quotes)
Ha, only for Christians. Oh and throwing bible verses at me is not going to do anything because I don't believe the bible is the word of "God"... if i hit you with some sutra teachings about there being no gods would that change your mind? No, didn't think so.

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What external, objective, revealed source of truth do you have to prove your point? You see, that's the problem. Anything that comes merely from us is opinion. And, we're fallen sinners whose thinking is corrupt and fallen with the rest of us. The only source of truth is God's revealed word. Since He reveals and proves Himself to be omniscient and omnipotent, I'll stick with Him!
This is not a theological debate over Christianity and Buddhism so let's keep it on topic.
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He also visited the Americas and Britain according to some other hypotheses. All of them including going to India have been proven to be false and without historical merit.
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Exactly why I said theorizing on Buddha's teachings impact on the early life of Jesus is ultimately pointless. As the bible never mentions Buddha, Christians will never take anything not inline with their previously held beliefs seriously.



Ha, only for Christians. Oh and throwing bible verses at me is not going to do anything because I don't believe the bible is the word of "God"... if i hit you with some sutra teachings about there being no gods would that change your mind? No, didn't think so.



This is not a theological debate over Christianity and Buddhism so let's keep it on topic.
Fair enough. Did you know that the Bible also explains why you have the position you do and won't accept what it says? That's why I cannot get upset with anyone who doesn't accept the Bible as truth/accepts Christ as truth.

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God/Jesus knew Buddha and all of us before we were even born. I know Buddha has lots of shared values with God and Christianity, however I suspect it's more likely God influenced Buddha then Buddha influenced Jesus.

But good values are good values, I don't really care where a person gets them.
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God/Jesus knew Buddha and all of us before we were even born. I know Buddha has lots of shared values with God and Christianity, however I suspect it's more likely God influenced Buddha then Buddha influenced Jesus.

But good values are good values, I don't really care where a person gets them.
Now that is an interesting take on influence.
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Correct. It can't possibly be true because it is not in the Bible.

I believe we'd say you're believing fake news...

IOW - Think about truth, absolute, unchanging, verifiable truth. Do you think you have it in you because you think thoughts and reason? That's just opinion. And, we're fallen and often wrong. Truth is a person - Jesus Christ. And, He didn't go to India. He did go to Egypt, but not India nor Indiana (grin).
Lots of historical documents,scrolls, etc. out there Bill.
Some that predates Christianity by 100's-1000's of years.
All Fake News, eh? <sigh>

"And, He didn't go to India. He did go to Egypt, but not India nor Indiana "

Now let me put my Pastor Bill hat on and ask...Where in the Bible does it say that?
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Lots of historical documents,scrolls, etc. out there Bill.
Some that predates Christianity by 100's-1000's of years.
All Fake News, eh? <sigh>

"And, He didn't go to India. He did go to Egypt, but not India nor Indiana "

Now let me put my Pastor Bill hat on and ask...Where in the Bible does it say that?
Yep, lots of them. You might want to brush up on your Canonicity studies and textual criticism to academically understand how to weed out the fake news.

But, most importantly, you should study the obvious subject in the Bible of a sovereign, omnipotent, omniscient, God who superintends the truth He chooses to reveal to mankind. This whole subject isn't about the documents nor the people who wrote them, it's about the Sovereign God of all things communicating to us His truth. Study it from His perspective, not Google's.


And, the India, Indiana (grin) and Egypt part - I answered that Biblically above.

Fair questions/comments. The answers lie in massive areas of academic study, and with the inspiration and illumination of the Holy Spirit.

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...And, the India, Indiana (grin) and Egypt part - I answered that Biblically above.
You answered "Biblically"?
What does that mean?
You couldn't show where in the Bible that Jesus did not go to India so you are ....what,...giving your "opinion" from a Biblical point of view?
Just holding you to your own standard there Bill.
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He is believed to have been 32 at the time of his crucifixion.
If you follow the dating from Luke 2, Jesus would've been born between 7 - 5BC. And I've always preferred the older dating for His crucifixion, of A.D. 33, that gives you an almost 40 year old Jesus.

And it's interesting to note, that the Pharisees, who jumped on Him about EVERYTHING, NEVER jump on Him about the ONE THING they would have - if they COULD have - if He was younger; that being, His age. In fact, the ONLY time His adult age (therefore, NOT his being in the Temple at age 12, at the end of Lk.2)is ever even HINTED at, is John 8: 57.

If He's in his late 30's... "50" is not out of the realm of reality, on the 'safe' side (I know I had grey hairs coming in at age 35!). But if He's in his late 20's/early 30's... then they're mocking Him. Yeah, they did THAT a lot too, but I think Jn.8: 57 is more an occasion of "astonishment," than mocking.

But since salvation does NOT depend on the age of Jesus at His crucifixion (or even which year He was born OR died in)... YMMV.
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Here is interesting little tidbit...

Buddha taught:
"Consider others as yourself"

Jesus taught:
Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. Luk 6:31
You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Mark 12:31

Keep in mind that the Buddha lived about 250 years prior to Jesus. I think it is not that unusual for the Buddha to come up with his teaching. Both Jesus and Buddha could have certainly come up with the same teaching without being taught themselves.
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You answered "Biblically"?
What does that mean?
You couldn't show where in the Bible that Jesus did not go to India so you are ....what,...giving your "opinion" from a Biblical point of view?
Just holding you to your own standard there Bill.
Go above and see my biblical answers. You're criticizing without responding to the verses. And, remember 1 Cor. 4:6 - don't go beyond what is written in Scripture.

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Here is interesting little tidbit...

Buddha taught:
"Consider others as yourself"

Jesus taught:
Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. Luk 6:31
You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Mark 12:31

Keep in mind that the Buddha lived about 250 years prior to Jesus. I think it is not that unusual for the Buddha to come up with his teaching. Both Jesus and Buddha could have certainly come up with the same teaching without being taught themselves.
Here's a few more
Turnin the other cheek
Buddha
"If anyone should give you a blow with his hand, with a stick, or with a knife, you should abandon any desires and utter no evil words." (Majjhima Nikaya 21:6)
Jesus
"If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also." (Luke 6:29)


Helping others is cool
Buddha
"If you do not tend to one another, then who is there to tend you? Whoever would tend me, he should tend the sick." (Vinaya, Mahavagga 8:26.3)
Jesus
"Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me." (Matthew 25:45)

Rich people ain't so cool
Buddha
"Let us live most happily, possessing nothing." (Dhammapada 15:4)
Jesus
“Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God." (Luke 6:20)
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Go above and see my biblical answers. You're criticizing without responding to the verses. And, remember 1 Cor. 4:6 - don't go beyond what is written in Scripture.

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OK, I assume you are referring to Post #6 when you said:

"Luke 2:41-52 tell the story of his trip to Jerusalem for the Passover when He was 12. His parents went every year, so they didn't go anywhere either. And 2:51-52 says He returned and continued to grow up in Nazareth."

Which Bible are you getting that info?
Here is a link to a comparison of what several Bibles (5 of them) have in that Chapter/Verse of Luke2:51-52:
https://biblehub.com/luke/2.htm
None of them say he continued to grow up in Nazareth.

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Here's a few more
Turnin the other cheek
Buddha
"If anyone should give you a blow with his hand, with a stick, or with a knife, you should abandon any desires and utter no evil words." (Majjhima Nikaya 21:6)
Jesus
"If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also." (Luke 6:29)


Helping others is cool
Buddha
"If you do not tend to one another, then who is there to tend you? Whoever would tend me, he should tend the sick." (Vinaya, Mahavagga 8:26.3)
Jesus
"Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me." (Matthew 25:45)

Rich people ain't so cool
Buddha
"Let us live most happily, possessing nothing." (Dhammapada 15:4)
Jesus
“Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God." (Luke 6:20)
Interesting comparison.
I do not have a parallel statement from Jesus on this but having read the story of Buddha I remember his saying:
The root of all suffering is desire.

Pretty profound I'd say.
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It's more likely Jesus took some ideas from Zoroastrians. He surely knew of them.
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Interesting how you folks can comprehend He (Christ) was fully man but completely miss that He is God. Also you miss that Judaism and the law were around long before budda.
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I'm a Christian, but I tend to keep a more open mind.

Jesus was mortal for a period of time. Most likely constrained by certain laws of mortality. I think that this would have carried with it a less than perfect knowledge of his creation. Being inhibited by a mortal brain has to have some effect, afterall there's only so much info that ca be stored in synapses and I would have to think that creating a universe would fill up someones internal hard drive pretty quick.

That being said, why wouldn't he want to travel and see his creation? Why not take a job on a caravan? Or hop in a boat? Or hoof it down in to Africa? Maybe play in the snow for a time in Siberia. Until his ministry began, was there anything preventing him from enjoying his creation for a couple of years here and there?
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^ What? Is that a serious position?
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Interesting how you folks can comprehend He (Christ) was fully man but completely miss that He is God. Also you miss that Judaism and the law were around long before budda.
When you say the law, are you talking about teachings by Jesus? Because we are talking about the bible mostly which is a record of his teachings and his life.
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Interesting how you folks can comprehend He (Christ) was fully man but completely miss that He is God. Also you miss that Judaism and the law were around long before budda.
well see that's the thing, some people don't believe that God exists. so yeah i fully believe that a guy named Jesus existed but i do not believe he is God or by simple belief and acceptance of him grants one eternal salvation. same way you believe that the Buddha existed but don't believe his eightfold path is the way to salvation. same way as we both dont believe whatever the muslims think.

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When you say the law, are you talking about teachings by Jesus? Because we are talking about the bible mostly which is a record of his teachings and his life.
the jewish law predates jesus and christianity. i think it's called the Halakha or something like that.
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Why would a man who believed his father was in Heaven and the creator of all things go and teach a practice of religion that wasn’t glorifying his father?

Just saying from my perspective doesn’t make sense this whole idea.....

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