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Old 04-11-2018, 3:26 PM
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This is the same type of people that passed Measure B in San Jose. It seemed like a good idea. Years later and millions of dollars as well as an uptick in crime, not so much.
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i am glad i will be out of here in a short number of years.
already have some of my things out of this state, in free America.

i feel for the leos stuck here. soon it will be like that cheap future cop movie. demolition man i belive??
where a street cop has to have a computer tell him what to do.
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i soon it will be like that cheap future cop movie. demolition man i belive?? where a street cop has to have a computer tell him what to do.
It’s already like that. They literally carry “check lists” with one department. The LEO refers to a checklist to see what to do next, step by step.

Whoever created that checklist idea shoulda been tarred and feathered. It took common sense thinking and tossed it out the window in patrol.
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It’s already like that. They literally carry “check lists” with one department. The LEO refers to a checklist to see what to do next, step by step.

Whoever created that checklist idea shoulda been tarred and feathered. It took common sense thinking and tossed it out the window in patrol.
My dept recently issued a laminated checklist for getting ambushed. Literally: "Step 1: Find Cover"....

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My dept recently issued a laminated checklist for getting ambushed. Literally: "Step 1: Find Cover"....

I **** you not
Should have been:

Step one.... Poop your shorts.
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I suspect this will pass constitutional muster if it ever becomes law. Graham v Conner set a minimum standard for when use of force is constitutional under the 4th Amendment. States are free to raise the bar, they cannot lower it.
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I suspect this will pass constitutional muster if it ever becomes law. Graham v Conner set a minimum standard for when use of force is constitutional under the 4th Amendment. States are free to raise the bar, they cannot lower it.
After it passes do you think this will affect relations between LEO AND politicians? Less bodyguards wishing to follow Gavin Newsum or Pelosi? Also will it effect people not in the field of LEO, who may want to get in, but find the rules to harsh to work with?
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The text of AB931 is finally up - http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201720180AB931

Note that at this point in the bill's life, blue italic is "new" and red strikeout is "old" and will be deleted next revision.
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After it passes do you think this will affect relations between LEO AND politicians? Less bodyguards wishing to follow Gavin Newsum or Pelosi? Also will it effect people not in the field of LEO, who may want to get in, but find the rules to harsh to work with?
Those 'body guards' are not there voluntarily. That is their assignment. Part of doing your duty as law enforcement is sometimes just sucking it up and doing your job. I don't think it will effect their protection details.

What it will effect is the morale of your average street cop. It will bring proactivity even further down and cause hesitation when and where there shouldn't be any. When we hesitate we die.
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Old 04-23-2018, 10:30 AM
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I don't get it:

from the bill:
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(d) (1) Notwithstanding any other law, a peace officer may use deadly force only when such force is necessary to prevent imminent and serious bodily injury or death to the officer or to a third party.
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(A) “Necessary” means that, given the totality of the circumstances, a reasonable peace officer would conclude that there was no reasonable alternative to the use of deadly force that would prevent imminent death or serious bodily injury to the peace officer or to a third party. Reasonable alternatives include, but are not limited to, deescalation, tactics set forth in the officer’s training or in policy, and other reasonable means of apprehending the subject or reducing the exposure to the threat.
So... We can't use deadly force unless it's necessary but necessary is defined by what a reasonable officer would do?... wut?
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Makes perfect sense!

Someone gets to bolster their political career with some smoke and mirrors.
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I don't get it:

from the bill:


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So... We can't use deadly force unless it's necessary but necessary is defined by what a reasonable officer would do?... wut?
Agreed.

I thought I was reading it wrong somewhere, somehow last night and blamed it on my lack of sleep. Glad to know that others had a similar interpretation.
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I wish you guys the best.....jugded is better than dead

No take down looks good......it's not a Hollywood movie......just saying.....
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So, I just talked to some DAs in my county and they were stating that although the amended 196 and 835a seem the same, they still very much feel it significantly handcuffs us.

Essentially saying that necessary is more seen as what a reasonable officer deems necessary rather than what a reasonable officer would do.

Tough one. We’ll see how it all plays out.

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I don't get it:

from the bill:


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So... We can't use deadly force unless it's necessary but necessary is defined by what a reasonable officer would do?... wut?

More stupid legislation by our ignorant overlords who want to “do something.”
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If this passes, I will never again do one ounce of Proactive Police work.
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Like their job is not already as dangerous as it could possibly be.

This will only guarantee that someone's watch will tragically come to an end and families will be disrupted forever due to the complete & total ignorence of the buffoons in the California Legislature.

I would not like California Law Enforcement to start acting like Broward County.
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Like their job is not already as dangerous as it could possibly be.

This will only guarantee that someone's watch will tragically come to an end and families will be disrupted forever due to the complete & total ignorence of the buffoons in the California Legislature.

I would not like California Law Enforcement to start acting like Broward County.
They may be mandated to with this.. if some guys is running around a school with a gun; why should the police shoot him? How would the officer "know" that it was "necessary" to shoot him; maybe just talking to him for three hours over a beer would settle him down and cause him to place himself in handcuffs.
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They may be mandated to with this.. if some guys is running around a school with a gun; why should the police shoot him? How would the officer "know" that it was "necessary" to shoot him; maybe just talking to him for three hours over a beer would settle him down and cause him to place himself in handcuffs.
Well, that has always worked for me. You should try it some time, CBR.
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They may be mandated to with this.. if some guys is running around a school with a gun; why should the police shoot him? How would the officer "know" that it was "necessary" to shoot him; maybe just talking to him for three hours over a beer would settle him down and cause him to place himself in handcuffs.
Especially since they added a subsection specifically defining deescalation. It's clear that deescalation will be a standard for them, reasonable officer or not. Just more ways to take away qualified immunity to make sure they can lead us like lambs to the slaughter at the pleasure of liberals who will revel in the gore.
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If this passes, I will never again do one ounce of Proactive Police work.
As if proactivity hasn't gone down enough already. I agree. What would be the point? I can see most of my coworkers opting out of proactivity altogether as well.
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No point in arguing around the edges. The people who run this state have absolutely no interest in protecting its CITIZENS. Leo's might want to follow that example and simply stand down. Let the goblins run free and let's see what happens.
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No need to use any force or "de-escalate" if you don't find the suspect.

Code three... Speed limit. Stop at every signal. Far to dangerous to run any red lights... Wait for at least three units before entering any location. Be sure to leave an exit for the suspect. After all that's "de-escalation" at it's finest.

If a suspect runs... No need to chase as that could lead to having to use force.. Classic de-escalation.

415 subjects... Please stop fighting.... Please... Oh well, sooner or later they will tire out or run away... You have now successfully de-escalated the situation.

Somebody gives you lip on a T stop. Smile, hand them their license back and drive away...

Can't give any citations as that would be confrontational and unnecessarily escalate a situation where you might have to use force...

Smile and wave....

And on and on.
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1- Turn whole State into a gun free prison.
2- No common sense penalties for crime.
3- Murder the Constitution.
4- Blame Freedom not the wicked.
5- Silence Free speech with violence.
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Somebody gives you lip on a T stop. Smile, hand them their license back and drive away...
You’re still doing T-stops????

What on earth for???? Screw that noise....
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No need to use any force or "de-escalate" if you don't find the suspect.

Code three... Speed limit. Stop at every signal. Far to dangerous to run any red lights... Wait for at least three units before entering any location. Be sure to leave an exit for the suspect. After all that's "de-escalation" at it's finest.

If a suspect runs... No need to chase as that could lead to having to use force.. Classic de-escalation.

415 subjects... Please stop fighting.... Please... Oh well, sooner or later they will tire out or run away... You have now successfully de-escalated the situation.

Somebody gives you lip on a T stop. Smile, hand them their license back and drive away...

Can't give any citations as that would be confrontational and unnecessarily escalate a situation where you might have to use force...

Smile and wave....

And on and on.
Time to exercise some extra due regard. I'll be sure to take an extra awesome police report when I do finally get there.
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