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Old 06-09-2010, 3:00 PM
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Women getting the right to vote and the abolition of slavery were legally and properly changed in the Constitution.

Homosexuality shouldn't be exempt from that requirement. If the Left wants to condone deviant sexuality, let them properly get an Amendment to that effect.

The RTKBA is also in the Constitution (via the 2nd Amendment) and the Left should have to get an Amendment done to outlaw it.
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Old 06-09-2010, 3:17 PM
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Bull Connors was the redneck sheriff that beat and turned water hoses on civil rights protesters in the South. He didn't like "different" people having rights either.
Point of historical order.... it was "Bull" Connor. No 's' at the end.

Theophilus Eugene "Bull" Connor(July 11, 1897, Selma, Alabama, USA – March 10, 1973) was a Democratic Party politician and police official from the city of Birmingham, Alabama, during the American Civil Rights Movement.

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Yes, if the gov't wants to get out of the marriage business they can/should - call everything between any two parties a 'civil union' and let the church marry.
The government should get out of the marriage business. It had no business defining it in the first place.... other than to control who can and can not get married.

Marriage is, at it's core, a religious institution and should be governed by the belief of the church that sanctions each particular union.
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Homosexuality shouldn't be exempt from that requirement. If the Left wants to condone deviant sexuality, let them properly get an Amendment to that effect.
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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Old 06-09-2010, 3:29 PM
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Does anyone know where to get a copy of the brief Brown wrote in favor of Heller? I would like to show that to Whitman's political adviser.
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Old 06-09-2010, 3:36 PM
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Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Sure. My reply was in context to what I specifically quoted.

To you, I'd say that homosexuals have the exact same rights: to marry a person of the opposite sex. Just the same, from a historical context, I'd argue marriage has only peripherally been about love and the same wrt sex.

But then, I'd also debate that 20th century conceptions of homosexuality are without historical precedent. Rome? Always considered scandalous and an offense against pietas, if not dignitas. It wasn't your average plebeian or prole attending the orgies, it was the elite who felt they were above social convention. Their attitude is clear by implication of scandal when used as part of the rhetoric to inflame public opinion against the accused. Greece? Even the Greek city-state boy-lovers still took wives. Spartiates snuck out to get it on with their women and beget their children. Who you get your jollies from has nothing to do with the conception of marriage. The idea of marriage as love is, in fact, relatively modern. You could make great arguments for laws regarding the streamlining of power of attorney and next of kin, but make a horrible attempt at over-secularization that the Founders did not intend. The Founders believed in a representative democracy that reflected the common social mores of their citizenry. Just the same, they provided mechanisms so that it might change: Amendment.

What the homosexual lobby wants is a change in social mores and a public affirmation that their deviant lifestyle is just as good. It's not. They've got "tolerance" but want more.
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Does anyone know where to get a copy of the brief Brown wrote in favor of Heller? I would like to show that to Whitman's political adviser.
http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Cal...ert_Amicus.pdf
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