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Old 05-27-2017, 6:17 PM
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Burris XTR 2. 5x25x50. Use the Burris extreme tactical rings 1.5''. Love my set up. The 34mm tube and glass are a step up from vortex.
Using a cost comparable Vortex, you'd be talking about the PST2 or Gen 1 Razor. Not the gen 1 PST.
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Burris XTR 2. 5x25x50. Use the Burris extreme tactical rings 1.5''. Love my set up. The 34mm tube and glass are a step up from vortex.
Thank you sir,my web searching was leaning that way.Good to hear you like yours.Kinda scary buying something this expensive without being about to touch it first.
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I know every firearm is different with the ammo they favor.Im just wondering in general what grain weight the .308 precisions to tends to prefer?Do they like the light or heavy stuff?Im thinking of picking some of these to try.

Federal Gold Medal Long-Range 308 Winchester Ammo 185 Grain Berger Juggernaut Open Tip Match.

I'm guessing due to the 1-10 twist rate of the barrel it should prefer the heavier grain ammo.

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Ok. Expert city 40% off! That being said, what vortex scope model should I look at?
Attached is a tall target test with an RPR sporting a razor gen 1 scope. If you nit pick the data, know that as far as I can tell my rifle is a smidge over half-minute, and as a crappy shooter introduce a further .3 minute error into every shot.
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I know every firearm is different with the ammo they favor.Im just wondering in general what grain weight the .308 precisions to tends to prefer?Do they like the light or heavy stuff?Im thinking of picking some of these to try.

Federal Gold Medal Long-Range 308 Winchester Ammo 185 Grain Berger Juggernaut Open Tip Match.

I'm guessing due to the 1-10 twist rate of the barrel it should prefer the heavier grain ammo.
168, 170, 175, 185, 190, 200 is all good. I'd say near perfect for 1:10 is 185.
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168, 170, 175, 185, 190, 200 is all good. I'd say near perfect for 1:10 is 185.
Thank you sir,that's what I wanted to hear.I ordered some up earlier,Ill report back once I get the firearm and ammo.

Plus,I figure they should work great in a Ruger precision due to the fact there is a picture of one on the box.
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they are bad pictures.

Hows your cheek weld and body alignment in prone? you able to adjust to a comfortable positon?
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they are bad pictures.

Hows your cheek weld and body alignment in prone? you able to adjust to a comfortable positon?
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Looks like that pistol grip is a common conversion on the RPR also. It looks goofy as hell to me. Is it comfortable or something? Why did you put it on? arbitrary decision?
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Looks like that pistol grip is a common conversion on the RPR also. It looks goofy as hell to me. Is it comfortable or something? Why did you put it on? arbitrary decision?
I have this grip and the Ergo tactical grip
ill trying this one right now to see if its going to work for me
a lot of people like the Ergo tactical and the Magpul grips
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What does it do besides look goofy?
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What does it do besides look goofy?
It supports you hand well IMHO
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What does it do besides look goofy?
It's a shelf grip similar to the European designs. They are very popular in Europe and don't have much of a following in the US. I love them, they allow you to push the rifle downward and load the bipod without gripping the grip super tight.

Don't know why American's don't like them, but they are catching on. They have one drawback- they add height to the grip so if you are trying to go as low profile as possible they can prevent this by a few inches.

Looking goofy means nothing if it adds performance.

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What is the scope mount your using??
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For you guys running the Burris xtr rings.How much MOA is to much?If I have a 20moa rail on the rifle,90 MOA in the scope(45 up/45 down) and the ring inserts set to give me 47.42 MOA.Is that too much?Will I have problems zeroing at 100 yards?I can set the rings from 0 to 54.24 MOA.Sorry I'm new to this and trying to learn.
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For you guys running the Burris xtr rings.How much MOA is to much?If I have a 20moa rail on the rifle,90 MOA in the scope(45 up/45 down) and the ring inserts set to give me 47.42 MOA.Is that too much?Will I have problems zeroing at 100 yards?I can set the rings from 0 to 54.24 MOA.Sorry I'm new to this and trying to learn.
First off, most scopes are not centered or don't meet their advertised specs.
Leave yourself about 20moa at the bottom of the elevation travel to account for this.

Also, the optics are best in the middle so placing your 100yd zero at the extreme end of elevation travel means you are using the worst part of the glass at 100yds and again at 1300yds.
If you are only shooting at 600-1000yds, that will get you better image quality as you will be much closer to the center of the scope at those distances.

If you used up ALL of your usable elevation, you would not have any windage travel and it's often necessary to use some windage to get zeroed.
This windage eats up elevation travel at both ends of the elevation range due to the scope being round.
If you had a square scope, then the windage and elevation travels would not limit each other.

In your case, only having 45moa from center and using 5moa to get zeroed leaves you 40/50.
Then you are taking 20moa with the mount so you are at 60/30.
You could put another 10moa in the rings and be OK at 70/20.
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First off, most scopes are not centered or don't meet their advertised specs.
Leave yourself about 20moa at the bottom of the elevation travel to account for this.

Also, the optics are best in the middle so placing your 100yd zero at the extreme end of elevation travel means you are using the worst part of the glass at 100yds and again at 1300yds.
If you are only shooting at 600-1000yds, that will get you better image quality as you will be much closer to the center of the scope at those distances.

If you used up ALL of your usable elevation, you would not have any windage travel and it's often necessary to use some windage to get zeroed.
This windage eats up elevation travel at both ends of the elevation range due to the scope being round.
If you had a square scope, then the windage and elevation travels would not limit each other.

In your case, only having 45moa from center and using 5moa to get zeroed leaves you 40/50.
Then you are taking 20moa with the mount so you are at 60/30.
You could put another 10moa in the rings and be OK at 70/20.
Thank you so much,so what your saying is I should set my inserts from 0 to 10 MOA to stay in the best part of the optic.I plan on using the rifle between 100-1000 yards.
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Thank you so much,so what your saying is I should set my inserts from 0 to 10 MOA to stay in the best part of the optic.I plan on using the rifle between 100-1000 yards.
You want to be using the best part of the glass as much as possible.
So, if you shoot a 308 and need about 40moa to reach 1000yds, you would want to waste off 25moa above and 25moa below to be using the middle.
If you are shooting a 6mm and only need 30moa to 1000, you would want to waste off 30moa above and 30moa below to be using the middle.
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I'm a little confused and running on little sleep I'm sure isn't helping.The rifle is a .308,with the built in 20moa rail I should set my inserts to 5 MOA?I know that sighting the rifle in will use up a few MOA.But 25 should be about the sweet spot?
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Can I make a suggestion? Get some data first, since all it will cost you is a range day. Mount the scope in ANY set of inserts you currently have and go shoot. Within 10 rounds you should be within an inch or two of bull, then see how much space you have up and down.

That tells you what inserts you want to run for long term, and go home and set up the rifle to the n-th degree if you want.

It's a cheap test.
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Can I make a suggestion? Get some data first, since all it will cost you is a range day. Mount the scope in ANY set of inserts you currently have and go shoot. Within 10 rounds you should be within an inch or two of bull, then see how much space you have up and down.

That tells you what inserts you want to run for long term, and go home and set up the rifle to the n-th degree if you want.

It's a cheap test.
That's what I'll do,I'll start with the 5's.won't cost me nothing but gas and ammo.Place to shoot on BLM land a few miles away.
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Took my RPR put today with my new Vortex RAZOR HD 5-20x50 mil/mil and shot these groups
top 10 where factory ammo and the 30 below where my reloads
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each square is 1/4 inch with 4 being an inch
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Nice. There's not a bad group on that target. Looks like your average is .65" across all ammos. Looks like 43 grains is a .5 MOA load.
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Nice. There's not a bad group on that target. Looks like your average is .65" across all ammos. Looks like 43 grains is a .5 MOA load.
Yeah only one flyer and all others less than 1 MOA
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Throwing away the flier I think all the groups are under .75 MOA minus the 43.5 to the right.

Looking at the data, looks like as you drop charge you improve group size. I know it's not H4350, but one must wonder if you'll get even better performance with that magical 42.5 charge weight. As if .5-.6 MOA wasn't good enough with 43.0 in a $1200 off-the-shelf rifle .
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After 2 years, I am selling my RPR. Hate to see her go, but I really want to fund a new precision rifle build. A friend had a stock barrel that was brand new that he took off for a PRI barrel swap. So she is practically new, shot a .6" 5 shot group just a few weekends ago with the new barrel.
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Throwing away the flier I think all the groups are under .75 MOA minus the 43.5 to the right.

Looking at the data, looks like as you drop charge you improve group size. I know it's not H4350, but one must wonder if you'll get even better performance with that magical 42.5 charge weight. As if .5-.6 MOA wasn't good enough with 43.0 in a $1200 off-the-shelf rifle .
Have to wait on the load work up till after I move to Texas
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I ended up with 42.5 of H4350, BR2 primers, and 140 Berger hybrids with a OAL of 2.88. Pretty much the same as the factory Hornady loads in terms of speed and performance, but a bit better.

Loved the old Amaxs, still have a few boxes of them.
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Just curious on how feasible it would be to convert this to a 6.5x55 platform? I have a 1905 Swede Mauser and a Howa barreled action in 6.5x55. It would be nice to have a long range shooter that uses the same caliber.
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Just curious on how feasible it would be to convert this to a 6.5x55 platform? I have a 1905 Swede Mauser and a Howa barreled action in 6.5x55. It would be nice to have a long range shooter that uses the same caliber.
You can't. The action is based on a short action design. The bolt does not come back far enough for a 6.5x55 case to fit into the action. Also the mag well length is to short.

One option would be to buy a Remington Long Action, a custom barrel, and drop those into a chassis like this.

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You can't. The action is based on a short action design. The bolt does not come back far enough for a 6.5x55 case to fit into the action. Also the mag well length is to short.

One option would be to buy a Remington Long Action, a custom barrel, and drop those into a chassis like this.

https://kineticresearchgroup.com/product/x-ray-chassis/
Thank you for the detailed information.
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Gen 2 in 6.5 cm with free shipping from palmetto. Pretty darn good deal

http://palmettostatearmory.com/ruger...t=5%3a00+Email
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Gen 2 in 6.5 cm with free shipping from palmetto. Pretty darn good deal

http://palmettostatearmory.com/ruger...t=5%3a00+Email
That's a helluva deal these days
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Gen 2 in 6.5 cm with free shipping from palmetto. Pretty darn good deal

http://palmettostatearmory.com/ruger...t=5%3a00+Email
thats a hundred less than I paid for mine and I also paid for shipping
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Big5 in Sunnyvale has both 308 and 6.5 in stock - $1369

Didn't realize the 308 has a shorter barrel compared to 6.5


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1369 is a little on the high end now-a-days

Yes the 6.5 has a 24 inch barrel which is idea for 6.5 and the 308 has a 20 inch which is OK but 22 would have been better
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