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Old 02-13-2018, 12:31 PM
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Default Beretta 686 vs Franchi SL

I got out and tried on a good number of 20 gauge O/U today.
The two that fit me by far the best, and to me felt very similar were:
Franchi Instinct SL at around $1300
Beretta 686 Silver Pigeon at around $2000 (slightly heavier than SL)

I was sold on the 686 until i picked up the SL w/ a smaller price tag

The reason for this post is to ask if anyone has personally had any issues with the Franchi over/under??

I don't mind spending a little more for the 686 if it'll save me some future headaches

Thanks in advance for any feedback
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Old 02-13-2018, 1:31 PM
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If $$ isn't the deciding factor, then I would think the Silver Pigeon is the way to go. Of course, what fits you best is extremely important. I shouldered the Franchi SL and it just didn't fit me well. The best way for me to describe it is that it felt "long". I opted for the Webley and Scott (not easy to find) in 20 gauge (about $1100-$1200). Next to my Charles Daly Miroku 20 gauge, it fits me perfect and is very well made. Yes, they now make them in Turkey, not England, but in my opinion, its the best shotgun made in Turkey. The fit and finish, as well as the wood is well above what one would expect from a shotgun not made in Italy. Webley and Scott makes a line of shotguns over $5,000, so there is nothing cheap about them.

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Old 02-13-2018, 2:54 PM
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If $$ are a deciding factor, then find a lightly used or old stock 686 Onyx. Better value than the Silver Pig. Given the choice between the Franchi and any 686 (except maybe the old Essential), I'd take the 686.
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Old 02-13-2018, 3:37 PM
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Default Beretta 686 vs Franchi SL

Thanks for the input guys.

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If $$ isn't the deciding factor, then I would think the Silver Pigeon is the way to go. Of course, what fits you best is extremely important. I shouldered the Franchi SL and it just didn't fit me well. The best way for me to describe it is that it felt "long". I opted for the Webley and Scott (not easy to find) in 20 gauge (about $1100-$1200). Next to my Charles Daly Miroku 20 gauge, it fits me perfect and is very well made. Yes, they now make them in Turkey, not England, but in my opinion, its the best shotgun made in Turkey. The fit and finish, as well as the wood is well above what one would expect from a shotgun not made in Italy. Webley and Scott makes a line of shotguns over $5,000, so there is nothing cheap about them.
I've heard good things about Webleys. What year/model is yours?

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Old 02-13-2018, 4:01 PM
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I got out and tried on a good number of 20 gauge O/U today.
The two that fit me by far the best, and to me felt very similar were:
Franchi Instinct SL at around $1300
Beretta 686 Silver Pigeon at around $2000 (slightly heavier than SL)

I was sold on the 686 until i picked up the SL w/ a smaller price tag

The reason for this post is to ask if anyone has personally had any issues with the Franchi over/under??

I don't mind spending a little more for the 686 if it'll save me some future headaches

Thanks in advance for any feedback
For a few hundred more, there is the Benelli 828
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Old 02-13-2018, 4:27 PM
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For a few hundred more, there is the Benelli 828
I handled the 12g today. Trust me, if they made it in a 20g it would be on my short list. Very nice gun
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Old 02-13-2018, 5:19 PM
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I have the Franchi in 12ga and love it.

I have found...like most guns...run them wet and it will work great.

Like you, I looked until I found what fit...not focused on price. It came down to the A400 And the SL Instinct...got the SL and can recommend them.
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Old 02-13-2018, 5:24 PM
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I like franchi but there is one issue I noticed my AL has a large screw that holds in the buttstock, every hundred rounds or so it works itself loose and the buttstock wiggles off, other than that it's a light gun and pretty accurate
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Old 02-13-2018, 6:33 PM
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For a field gun I would look at the weight as a major criterion. I like my bird guns right around 6 pounds, maybe even a couple ounces under. Makes a big difference after a few hours chasing chukars
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For a field gun I might prefer the Franchi. They are too light to be a target gun.
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Old 02-14-2018, 4:40 PM
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For a field gun I might prefer the Franchi. They are too light to be a target gun.
Question about your comment...

I assumed, at least for me, that fit was foremost...and that weight was not as important. I get that the lighter gun may kick a bit more...depending on the target...

But, in your view, what is too light for a target gun and why...thanks...
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But, in your view, what is too light for a target gun and why...thanks...
A target gun will be shot a lot in a day, 100, 200 or more shells in a day. By the end of a day the recoil from a light gun would be almost unbearable. For a true "TARGET" gun, I don't want anything less than 8lbs....
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A target gun will be shot a lot in a day, 100, 200 or more shells in a day. By the end of a day the recoil from a light gun would be almost unbearable. For a true "TARGET" gun, I don't want anything less than 8lbs....
This. Fit is number one in my opinion, weight would be number two.
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Old 02-14-2018, 5:43 PM
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A target gun will be shot a lot in a day, 100, 200 or more shells in a day. By the end of a day the recoil from a light gun would be almost unbearable. For a true "TARGET" gun, I don't want anything less than 8lbs....
That is what I assumed...but thought there may be something I am missing. Thanks for the comments guys...

I am too damn old to push more than 100 or so out the tube on trap...and those are 1 1/8 oz loads...I was wondering if you guys were using heavier loads for certain types of shoots...you answered my question.
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Old 02-14-2018, 6:43 PM
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Not a lot of 20 gauges will tip 8 lbs. A 686 Onyx goes about 6.3 lbs in 20 and I think something over 7 in 12. Citoris seem a bit heavier to me. If you want to shoot 20 in a heavy gun get a tube set.

I think people make too big a deal about shotgun recoil. Its different than rifle recoil. More of a push. My first shotgun (and still favorite bird gun) is an Ithaca/SKB 600 in 20 gauge. It tips the scale right around 6 lbs, with no pad. As a teenager that weighed about a buck 40 sopping wet, I shot some fairly heavy reloads out of it twice a week, 6-8 rounds a session for years. I could only afford one charging bar so it had to cover everything, even handicap trap. I reloaded hulls till the case split, lol. I have easily put 25,000 rounds or more through that gun. The recoil never bothered me. If your mount is good and the gun is a reasonable fit, forget the recoil and focus on the target.
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Old 02-14-2018, 8:18 PM
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If it will be more of a target/range gun, and you like the fit of the 686. Look at the Sporting model. It’s a little more robust than the field model, and no auto safety.
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I have the Franchi in 12ga and love it.

I have found...like most guns...run them wet and it will work great.

Like you, I looked until I found what fit...not focused on price. It came down to the A400 And the SL Instinct...got the SL and can recommend them.
Who runs an O/U "wet"?

Couple guys at the club have new Instincts. One in 20g and another in 28. I've shot the 28 and it shot nice. Both of these will take a long time to get to 100k rounds. OP didn't list his goal for this gun.

Franchi is certainly capable of building a very sturdy gun. They've also built some which weren't particularly durable. Resale on Franchis tend to suffer. I don't buy guns to sell, so not sure that matters. But a good buy on a gently used Beretta will hold it's value.

I like the Citoris in 20g. Little blocky in 12g.
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Old 02-15-2018, 9:21 AM
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[quite=ScottB]I think people make too big a deal about shotgun recoil.[/quote]
I’m definitely not saying you fall into this category but I’ve noticed that when someone poobahs recoil and I see them shoot-invariably they have a flinch. Recoil tolerance is different in people and you can’t predict it.
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[quite=ScottB]I think people make too big a deal about shotgun recoil.
I’m definitely not saying you fall into this category but I’ve noticed that when someone poobahs recoil and I see them shoot-invariably they have a flinch. Recoil tolerance is different in people and you can’t predict it.
No flinch. Just a lot of shooting.
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Who runs an O/U "wet"?
I do, based upon thousand of shells thru mine...

I have found that the safety, firing hammers and the cocking mechanism, if not well lubricated tend to not fully reset when the gun is broken open. Tried a couple of things and found that running it wet is what makes my gun happy....

There are a fair amount of metal to metal contact points...they seem to like certain oil...runs flawless...
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Old 02-16-2018, 8:48 AM
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I keep my O/Us (and all my guns) well lubricated - good gun grease on the external wear points and a good oil like RemOil on the internals. One caveat: oil and grease attract grit and grime so have to be replaced often. I generally clean my guns after every session, starting with a good spray degreaser. Over the years this practive reduces wear to almost nothing.
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I keep my O/Us (and all my guns) well lubricated - good gun grease on the external wear points and a good oil like RemOil on the internals. One caveat: oil and grease attract grit and grime so have to be replaced often. I generally clean my guns after every session, starting with a good spray degreaser. Over the years this practive reduces wear to almost nothing.
Maybe a different definition of "wet" generally reserved for autos.

I'll take the stock off every year or two and clean the mechanisms and give a light mist of gun oil before reassembly.

Gun grease on the few bearing surfaces of the monoblock/receiver interfaces and the forearm lug. Otherwise wiped down with an oily rag.
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Old 02-20-2018, 1:46 PM
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Decided on the 686

BTW.. Why didn't anyone tell me about Buds price match? Ha
I typed in $1500.. automated response said NO but...we'll do it for $1700. Click, made the purchase

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OP didn't list his goal for this gun.
Field gun. These two guns are both pretty light w/ the 686 being slightly heavier
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Decided on the 686

BTW.. Why didn't anyone tell me about Buds price match? Ha
I typed in $1500.. automated response said NO but...we'll do it for $1700. Click, made the purchase

I'm gonna feel lame if someone sends me a link for $1699
Pretty fair price. Through who? What barrel length did you get?

Congrats on the 686
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I went with the 26" barrel

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